Notice From My Cold Dead Hands......

Discussion in 'Blazers OT Forum' started by THE HCP, Nov 30, 2021.

  1. Fairly-Hard

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    But you actually said something about Suggesting killing Senators. Nobody anywhere said that.
    Try to keep up.

    No on second thought don’t.

    You’re just muddying the waters again.

    Gun control needs to happen. Period!
    Game over!
     
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    Gun control has already happened. It hasn't helped.
     
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    Arrests made in this mass shooting.



    Older gents. 56 and 48 year old.

     
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    Gotta agree here. This is for someone under indictment. They cannot take your rights because you have been accused.
     
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    I agree. I will say though if a violent offender gets arrested and let out and buys a gun, nothing good will come of that.

    We may see a rise in repeat offenses before the first one even goes to court.

    So yeah I agree with removing felony charges for non violent offenses and keep the violent offenders in jail pending trial so they can't buy guns.
     
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    Yeah violent offenders in jail should probably be the norm. There are problems there as well. Domestic Violence can be included. The laws are tough. One issue is people abusing the domestic violence laws. We all know that can get messy.

    The problem with indictment is that it could be used against a gun owner. Once they say they cannot buy one then the logical next step is they cannot own one. It's a bad place to go and will for sure raise a bunch of resistance. Gun control cannot be "targeting" or even remotely look like it could be manipulated.
     
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    What if the crime they're charged with is beating the hell out of their wife?

    Or threatening to shoot up a school?
     
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    Domestic Violence laws prevent people charged with DV from being released. They should not be able to buy a gun from jail though I'm certain it could happen.
    Obviously IMO certain circumstances apply but the threat of shooting up a school seems pretty cut and dried for the FBI to revoke your gun rights. We already have to pass a background check to buy a gun. Biggest problems arise when you have someone who might be able to get a gun without registering it or doing the background check. Gun Shows and Private sales can circumvent any laws anyway.
    Sometimes the point is if someone wants a gun bad enough he will get one. Sad to say it's true.
     
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    Not true.
     
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    If somebody was arrested on a violent offense their guns can be taken before they are released. I'm sure they would gladly allow the police to search their house and help them unlock their gun safe if it gets them out of jail.

    As long as they are allowed to collect the guns and be made whole upon being found innocent / nonviolent.

    And if they aren't willing to do that, then they can just sit in jail until the trial. No big deal.
     
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    If there is evidence you beat up your wife or threatened to shoot up a school you should absolutely not be allowed around your wife or any schools. And that's if you aren't locked up.

    If for some reason you are released before trial it should be after turning in all guns, and with a GPS monitor to make sure you avoid those areas. And if you cut it off there should be an APB and all at risk people should be made aware and protected immediately.

    So, those people shouldn't be let out pre-trial unless we are pretty sure they are not a threat.
     
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    Probably correct. They are supposed to. Lets just put it that way. In Oregon there is a mandatory arrest law. It gives someone a chance to get a restraining order and can hold repeat offenders in jail until trial. I have no idea about Texas?
     
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    Yeah, if I didn't already have guns it would be handy, for sure.

    But I can use my EDC for self defense while hunting (cougars can be sneaky) and for small game (very rarely).

    And my .45 would even take down a deer if I happened upon one at close range while fishing during hunting season or just on a grouse hunt with my shotgun.
     
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    Even as a gun owner, wouldn't there be value in having a home-defense option that doesn't involve lethal force? I mean, I assume you would have a second's hesitation before shooting another human being, even an intruder; I imagine that'd be less of an issue if death is off the table. Plus, the ability to propel high-velocity pepper-mace-infused projectiles could be useful even when you don't necessarily have a clean shot.
     
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    Yeah. Solid point. I might consider it if I had an extra few hundred bucks lying around. As it is, my 3 teenagers keep me pretty broke.

    I'd hesitate shooting that at somebody as well. I can only imagine the lawsuit I'd have to deal with.

    I'm not going to be shooting anybody if they aren't an immediate threat anyway. And in that situation, I wouldn't expect to hesitate either way.
     
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