Game Thread GAME# 8: TIMBERWOLVES @ BLAZERS - JANUARY 7, 2021 - THURSDAY, 7:00 PM, NBCSNW

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Darkwebs, Jan 5, 2021.

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Who's the biggest ball hog on the Blazers?

Poll closed Jan 12, 2021.
  1. Dame

    2.2%
  2. McCollum

    19.6%
  3. Melo

    63.0%
  4. Trent

    4.3%
  5. Simons

    2.2%
  6. Other

    2.2%
  7. Blevins

    6.5%
  1. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    I think it is safe to say this team can fall in love with the 3 pt shot at times and forget about other options.
    Good to see Dame attack the rim a little more last night (along with his 3s) but of course Minnesota does not have much of a rim protector. Fans are not exactly enamored with Melo but he is one of the few on the team (maybe the only one ) who can effectively post his man up. Nurk is ok at it but he does tend to have the ball knocked away when he backs players down. Kanter also struggles with putting the ball on the floor
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    One slight addition to this, the team falls in love with CONTESTED and/or difficult three point shots. We don't move the ball around nearly enough to find the open man. When we DO, we tend to shoot a much higher percentage. That ball movement could also lead to easier buckets for guys like Jones and Nurk.

    Our ball movement has, for a while now, been one of the worst in the league.
     
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  3. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    You're so disingenuous.
     
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  4. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    oh great....a joke apparently needs to be adjusted for accuracy
     
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  5. Tince

    Tince Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry you feel that way. Never want you to feel like you should post about me personally instead of disputing the content directly.
     
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  6. Tince

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    I wish they made these advanced analytics available by team, as they do exist. It would be fun to compare our PPP based off of number of passes per possession. Would also be interesting to compare to other teams.

    Are you drawing this conclusion based off anything more than your perception from watching the games? Not saying you're wrong, just curious if you have any data behind it.
     
  7. Tince

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    Interesting chart from the 2016-17 season:

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  8. wizenheimer

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    good joke I guess, if that's what it was...but since you're a big Stotts advocate.....

    the vast majority of criticisms of Stotts aren't based on one game, or 10 games, or 20 games. They are based upon the 8+ seasons, the 712 Blazer games he's coached, his 20-36 playoff record in Portland, and the manners in which his systems succeed, and the ways they fail. That's 8+ seasons and over 700 games when we have seen the decisions he makes, and the adjustments he implements; when we have watched his rotations; when we hear his explanations...and his excuses

    a good game here or a bad game there doesn't make a season. Neither does a stretch of good wins or a stretch of bad losses. A season makes a season, and that includes the playoffs. We have 8 of those to judge Stotts by, and now, 8 games this season

    knowing all that, ridiculing the critics as if they weakly vacillate in their views depending on a win or a loss is a bit loopy. I don't think the Stotts critics are that shallow
     
  9. Tince

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    For the record, I'm not a big Stotts advocate. I've stated on many occasions, I'm indifferent on him and feel the general impact coaches make on teams adavancing far is very low in comparison to roster talent and make-up. If he got fired tomorrow, I would lose zero sleep over it, and if the roster remained unchanged, I would continue to have the same expectations of our next coach.

    We have had 8 seasons to judge Stotts. I believe those teams have made the playoffs 7 times, including multiple trips out of the first round, and a WCF appearance. I'm not sure how many other coaches could say that while only having 1 all-star on their roster. I'm assuming not many. Because of that, I find it hard to think he's horrible. I also do not think he's the best.
     
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  10. BonesJones

    BonesJones https://www.youtube.com/c/blazersuprise

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    Exactly.
     
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    ok then...playoffs are the gauge I guess

    Stotts has a .344 winning percentage in the playoffs

    Stan Albeck .409
    Bernie Bickerstaff .364
    Rick Adelman .503
    Scott Brooks .522
    Brett Brown .462
    Mike Budenholzer .500
    Rick Carlisle .476
    Dwayne Casey .382
    Mike D'antoni .491
    Vinny Del Negro .345
    Billy Donovan .439
    Mike Dunleavy .535
    Alvin Gentry .567
    Lionel Hollins .488
    Mike Malone .485
    Quin Snyder .382
    Tom Thibideau .429
    Brad Stevens .507
    Stan Van Gundy .527
    Frank Vogel .573
    Mike Woodson .391

    there were some coaches with worse playoff records, but I thought that list would give a good gauge of what we can judge Stotts by

    now, I know you gave credit to Stotts for just making the playoffs for 7 straight years. I guess, if that's the +/- gauge you want to use, then he stacks up well. But I think that's the big problem. If just making the playoffs becomes the line for an acceptable season you've signed up for mediocrity.

    for chrissakes, Rick Adelman had a .522 playoff record as a Blazer HC and actually won the WCF twice. Yet, he was fired after 6 seasons because management saw that his time had run it's course. Stotts is in his 9th season. And how many other coaches on that list were given less time than Stotts after better results? All of them?

    IMO, Stotts needs to go. It's past due. The Blazers are stagnant in their offense and their defense. They are stuck with a style and mired in a philosophy
     
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    Those sweeps hurt when it comes to record and win percentage for sure. A coach can look a bunch better getting a couple sweeps under his belt as well.
     
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    Raise your hand if you would be upset, disappointed, mad, if Stotts was fired today? I am guessing the number is very low. Not everyone is a "Stotts apologist" just because the blame is spread around or we don't think he sucks as much as others. If he was fired today, I would be excited about the next one and the new look. If he stays, oh well, we could do far worse - we could get a lesser coach (yes, they are out there), we could get someone who doesnt mesh with certain players, who the hell knows. I am not indifferent to many things, usually have a hard stance, but on this one, I guess I would lean towards a new start with a new coach and hope Neil makes a good pick, which i think he would.
     
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    I am a fan of the Blazers.
    I recognize the accomplishments and strengths as well as the weaknesses of Terry Stotts.
    If Terry Stotts were fired I would immediately start looking at who they hired and would be looking to hope he was a good choice.
    I would wish Terry well and hope he has success in whatever future position he finds as I know he would find one quickly. Or would at least be offered one.

    In the end I would continue to support my team and root for the players and coaches involved.
     
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    Dude you dissapear each time the Blazers lose. Why should i wake up in the middle of the night to watch a game against the worst team in the league? For sure the Blazers won but this game was pretty much meaningless. And yeah Stotts is stil a bad coach, you must be pretty dumb or the biggest homer if you really think that a W against the Timberwolves without Towns change anything than what we have seen in the past few years from Stotts, his coaching sucks come playoff time, Dame makes him look good when he goes supernova but if you look at the schemes you will see that Stotts isn't a good Coach, but that's probably too hard for you.
     
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    Very fair opinion.

    I would expect guys like Rick Adelman who had triple the all-stars on his roster to have a better winning percentage. MVPs and multiple all-stars appears to be a trend for most the coaches with very high playoff winning percentages.

    I think where we disagree is you think a coaches record should be looked at without regard to the number of top level players on his roster. I think roster talent plays a HUGE role in the success of teams/coaches.
     
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    Very well said!
     
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    Just curious, what do you think of this coach with the following past 6 seasons with the same team:

    43% playoff winning percentage
    Averaged 1 all-star per season (1 season with 2 all-stars)
    1 conference final
    1 semi final
    3 first round
    1 missed playoffs

    Time to fire him?
     
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    Do you happen to have data regarding their playoff seeding? I would expect a coach to have a very low playoff winning percentage if they consistently enter the playoffs with the 7 or 8 seed.
     

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