Gary Trent extension

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  1. SharpesTriumph

    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    Good article over on BlazersEdge

    https://www.blazersedge.com/2020/12...n-dec-21-deadline-2021-restricted-free-agents


    previous article detailing how much Blazers can offer

    https://www.blazersedge.com/2020/10...r-and-the-trail-blazers-agree-to-an-extension

     
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    " This is where Klutch Sports comes into play. After bidding against himself to overpay multiple players (i.e. McCollum, Meyers Leonard, and Maurice Harkless), Olshey seems to have come to his senses in the last couple years. Most notably, Jusuf Nurkic signed a team-friendly deal in 2018.

    Not so coincidentally, Nurkic has since signed with Klutch. Presumably based on their reputation for being extremely aggressive and player friendly in negotiations. The tl;dr here is that Rich Paul and co. aren’t going to accept a low-ball offer on Trent’s behalf. This, combined with Trent’s pending RFA status during a slight salary cap depression, suggests that it will be difficult for the two sides to find a middle ground during the offseason
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    I don't think we know if Olshey has come to his senses about bidding against himself. The Nurkic contract came at a time when only 3 teams had cap-space above the MLE and all three teams had good centers. All we really know it that when Olshey has big cap-space or one of his favorite players is due an extension he makes bad decisions. When the market is slanted heavily in his favor, and there's limited league-wide cap-space, he makes good decisions.

    Nurkic just had terrible timing for his free agency.

    if Trent has confidence in his own abilities and his potential for improvement, he won't be very enthusiastic about signing a contract of less than 13M/year when he'd be eligible for a max of 30M/year 7 months from now; especially considering he'd be signing as CJ's backup

    Olshey is going to be tested over the next couple of seasons. Not only is Trent eligible for an extension, Zach is too

    Portland free agents next July:

    Zach
    Trent
    Kanter
    Giles

    free agents July 2022:

    Nurkic (isn't he eligible for an extension right now too?)
    Covington
    Hood
    Jones
    Simons

    lots of loose ends. And in 2022/23 Dame + CJ will combine for 80.6M in salary which could be over 70% of the salary cap. The following year they get 86.5M
     
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    I would reserve any attempt to offer an extension at this time unless it is a very team friendly contract. If he can show continued growth this season then he should be in for a nice extension. Keep him hungry.
     
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    $30M a year?
     
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    I would trade CJ and his contact after next year if you can find a buyer, of which Im sure we could.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    If Jones has a good season he will opt out in July too.

    If everyone plays great the team won't be able to resign everyone. But we should win a lot these next two years. Chances are someone doesn't play great so it may be best to wait on extensions so the team can focus on retaining whoever proves to be the best.
     
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    why? How can you say trade him without knowing what you get in return? Finding a buyer is only one part of the equation as it's what you get is the determining factor. No reason to trade if it doesn't improve the team.
     
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    yeah:

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    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23

    now, those max percentages are mitigated by what the player's team can offer. Portland only has early-Bird rights on Trent right now. More than that, Trent only owns early-Bird rights (works both ways), so his max extension, right now, is controlled by league average salary (since his actual salary is less)

    next summer, he'll have full-Bird rights. And Portland will own full-Bird rights on him. So then, the 25% max controls and other teams can offer that much as well. The only leverage Portland would have, other than the right of first refusal, is that they can offer max step raises of 8% while other teams are limited to 5%, IIRC
     
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    With all these players we that can contribute someone going be out of the rotation. As well Trent play in the bubble he could be the one especially if Hood going be considered a 2 and a 3. There others also due to front line jones covington Zach when he back Melo Hood and even Trent. Bigs you got Nurk Kanter Zach Giles. Stotts has the big job ahead of him who going sit or who going to play. The only thing for certain is Dame CJ Nurk covington going be in the rotation. Little and Cj2 is going be 13 and 14 guy.
     
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    Just want to point out that Trent's good play was confined to the play-in games. He was pretty dire in the playoffs.
     
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    In the playoffs he still played good defense and shot 41% from 3, so he was excellent on the 3+D part.

    His 2pt shooting was bad. Hopefully it was a small sample size and he becomes more well rounded in future playoffs.

    He doesn't have any of the playmaking or dribbling skills of CJ so its ludicrous for people to suggest he can take over those duties.
     
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    No I guess what I mean is how is that even a thought. Gary Trent and $30m ain’t happening. Just not sure of your statement is all.
     
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    Yeah, I would trade him unless we could improve the team and the terms of the contract were reasonable.
     
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    His great play was confined to the early bubble games. He was steadily cooling off by play-in time.
     
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    People said the same thing about Crabbe during his final rookie contract year here then he got nearly the max.
     
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    And the NBA financial outlook is far different now, as well as GMs, especially Neil, have learned their lessons. Nobody is handing out $30m to guys like Trent. I like him, but if he gets offered $11m he needs to take it.
     
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    Bertans and Harris just got crazy huge deals and they are shitty defenders. Grant got crazy money and is a worse shooter.

    Trent could certainly bet on himself, have a big season, and get much more than 11 mil.

    Now if I was in his shoes I probably lock in 11 mil.

    I'm not saying he would get 30mil... but if he has a huge year he could get over 20
     
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    Cap guru Eric Griffith? The same guy that was still publically calling for a Hassan Whiteaide sign-and-trade when we were only $600K under the tax-line and when it was obvious he had no market?

    I like our cap guru better.
     
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    If Gary Trent signs with the Blazers for $30M/year in 7 months then Olshey should be fired before the ink is dry on the contract.

    He’s a good 3pt shooter who sucked on defense in the playoffs and only managed a 5.8 PER in 5 games. That’s pathetic

    Almost worst on the team in advanced stats against the Lakers on both offense and defense. A complete liability but has room to grow without some ridiculous contract making Evan Turner at $17M look like a bargain.
     
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    what I'm saying is that the range between 12.8M/year and 30M/year is vast enough that a player like Trent with 3&D abilities is probably not going to settle for the minimum number in that range; especially not with Klutch Sports representing him. Obviously, he isn't going to get a max contract, but more than 80 players in the league are making 15M/year or more this season

    much of it is going to depend on how Trent views his own talent. He may have the confidence to bet on himself. He also may not want to lock himself into being CJ's backup for 5 more seasons

    and maybe, Olshey is smart enough to not offer a 50M extension to a player who has only performed equal to that level of salary for 20-25 games
     
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