Gas, Oil & Coal

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  1. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    During the Obama administration we have come into incredible new technologies with respect to drilling for shale gas and oil that is allowing us to cut a lot of our dependence on foreign gas and oil. Also, the coal industry is being systematically shut down- for better or worse. Here are 3 short articles. All this makes me wonder how it will effect and shape the next 100 years with respect to energy in this country. It also seems to me gasoline prices should stabilize low and how this will effect other technologies such as electric cars...

    http://www.realclearenergy.org/arti...r_worse_big_oil_has_big_us_future_107125.html

    http://www.realclearenergy.org/articles/2013/09/27/obamas_war_on_coal_has_run_amok_107263.html

    http://www.realclearenergy.org/charticles/2013/10/03/us_passes_russia_on_oil_and_gas_107273.html
     
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  2. BrianFromWA

    BrianFromWA Editor in Chief Staff Member Editor in Chief

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    dude, starting a heavy OT thread during the game on Opening Night? Hard core. ;)
     
  3. DaLincolnJones

    DaLincolnJones Well-Known Member

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    yeah..I will be back to read all the above..I already repped his sorry ass
     
  4. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    Hey, I multi-task and cannot understand why Phoenix is beating us.
     
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    MARIS61 Real American

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    Fracking is destroying the planet.:tsktsk:
     
  6. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    How so?
     
  7. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    It is earthquakes and poisoning ground water. Ground water will be a vital commodity even if global warming isn't as bad as some think.
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I do find it not at all surprising the US is now THE number one oil producer in the world and yet the gasoline prices have barely gone down. "Drill baby, Drill" was a big myth. The companies want to turn a profit, SHOCKING I know, and it won't help our automobiles.
     
  9. BLAZER PROPHET

    BLAZER PROPHET Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering about that, too. I would think our gas prices would better reflect this. Me thinks we're being gouged.
     
  10. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I don't think we're being gouged, I think they are turning a profit in China and India. That Keystone pipeline is bullshit, and the oil terminal in Vancouver is just as bad. It brings some jobs, but they are going to cause our oil prices to go up here.
     
  11. MarAzul

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    Attention to detail is good. And you stay safe and make it home.
     
  12. BLAZER PROPHET

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    While I can appreciate Obama's wanting to redefine energy policy and support his efforts for reducing pollution, the end result of more affordable energy costs seems to be failing.
     
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    Actually, reducing the foot print of man is naturally done by having less men, Having a liberal, more "fair" immigration policy doesn't accomplish that goal. While it may get him and his elected, but perhaps only until
    they figure out he intends them to live without fire.
     
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    Just so I understand, this is intended to be in green, right?
     
  15. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    No, I am quite serious. Why would this be sarcastic? Do you disagree with the statements I made?
     
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    yeah, I do. thought you wee saying that in jest. I have no desire to debate it with you if you truly believe what you wrote. We are diametrically opposed on this issue.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    As China's and India's economies continue to fully develop and its people become more affluent, demand for energy is only going to increase ... geometrically. We'll never see gasoline prices return to the low prices of the past; those days are long gone.
     
  18. Eastoff

    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    I'm just curious which specifics you disagree with being true?
    Fracking causes earthquakes.
    Fracking causes pollution in ground water.
    Ground water will continue to be a valuable commodity.
    Globabl warming is a trend.
     
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    Ok, you ask in earnest.

    I have done a lot of reading on this issue, to say that it causes earthquakes is a major over reach. You can build a theory that it may contribute, but there is nothing conclusive that points to as having been the cause.

    There has never been a proven case of ground water pollution. The one case that I read up on was proven to be false. The water in the area was already tainted, If I remember it was a high mineral content that was pre existing and the people were blaming the fracking to get them selves out of financial trouble.

    To say that ground water is not valuable would be silly, of course it is.

    Global warming is a trend..if you refer to trend as a pattern unique or recurring. I suppose it is a trend. I would counter that you can say that about any weather shift. I can make such a statement about ice ages. Neither would be wrong, nor would they be conclusive.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    You'd think we could run those refineries we have at 120% capacity instead of the 110% capacity they've been running since the 1970s.

    http://www.npr.org/2013/10/18/236222110/declining-gas-prices-pump-up-a-shaky-economy

    October 18, 2013 3:25 AM

    In recent weeks, economists have been worrying about the negative impact of the now-ended government shutdown and potential debt crisis.

    But away from Capitol Hill, the economy has been getting a big boost: Gasoline prices have been declining, week after week. In some parts of the country, a gallon of unleaded regular gasoline is now down to less than $3 a gallon — a price most Americans haven't seen in three years.
     

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