"Golden State Warriors have some interest in acquiring Ely in a sign-and-trade"

"Golden State Warriors have some interest in acquiring Ely in a sign-and-trade"

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A source familiar with the situation said the Phoenix Suns and Golden State Warriors have some interest in acquiring Ely in a sign-and-trade. The Bobcats are loaded at power forward, with Emeka Okafor and Sean May recovering from injuries. Charlotte can also use Walter Herrmann and Othella Harrington at that position.
Ely has at least until Sunday to sign the one-season qualifying offer and return the Bobcats. After that the team could pull the offer, although Bickerstaff has said repeatedly he'd welcome Ely back for this season.
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http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/15560676.htm

 

It's interesting that Mullin still is shopping this late into the offseason. First that mention about DerMarr Johnson, and now Melvin Ely.

Ely makes sense with Nelly. He runs the floor well for a big man and I would say he's above average on both ends. This would be a big upgrade from Foyle offensively while only a small hit defensively (mainly shotblocking).

 

We've already a lot of PF's and C's so I wonder what is really up?

Who are Demar Johnson and Melvin Ely's agents? Could they be leaking a bunch of b.s. to the press?

 

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/

According to the guys from that site, a bigger deal seems to be in the works.

We give up:

Draft pick/Biedrins or any other prospect
Pietrus
Dunleavy

We get:

Melvin Ely
Gerald Wallace

 

Trade the pick Mullin! If he trades Biedrins, I've lost all hope.

 

Other than, I like the deal. Dunleavy would have fit into the offense well though.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/

According to the guys from that site, a bigger deal seems to be in the works.

We give up:

Draft pick/Biedrins or any other prospect
Pietrus
Dunleavy

We get:

Melvin Ely
Gerald Wallace</div>

That would be a steal imo.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/

According to the guys from that site, a bigger deal seems to be in the works.

We give up:

Draft pick/Biedrins or any other prospect
Pietrus
Dunleavy

We get:

Melvin Ely
Gerald Wallace</div>
Wow it's kind of tough decision. Melvin Ely is kind of a questionable personality but yet he would bring something in the way of Etan Thomas of the Wizards (physical strength, mainly post defense, shotblocking, rebounding). This is stuff we lack.

Gerald Wallace would give us a potential lockdown defender similar to Shawn Marion, but the downside is his ballhandling isn't as good despite his "Pietrus-like quickness" on that first step. Plus his shooting and free throw shooting can be awful. It might be hard to score or to spread the floor when he can't get the opportunity to dunk it or get close range points. If he's forced to take a three or get fouled, we wind up in the same situation as with some of our other players... He's very athletic, though. He probably can long jump as far as Jordan, dunking from the free throw line.

What we lose:

Biedrins. An offensively flawed, but potentially valuable double double threat on putbacks, offensive/defense rebounds. Could be an all-around defensive player with his recovery time, athleticism, lateral mobility, leaping ability, and wingspan. Great hands and nice finesse at close range. Bad free throw shooting, a little weak physically still, and poor foul discipline. Can make the smart pass and handle the ball well for his position.

Pietrus. A potential inside/outside threat double digit scorer. Has a great on-ball defensive game against guards. Excellent lateral movement and good leaping ability. Bad free throw shooting and poor understanding of the game (or English). Very hard to stop if he can get his shot going and isn't playing out of control. That's hard to unlock.

Dunleavy. What you see is what you get. Everyone knew on draft day that Dunleavy would be a player with a limited ceiling, but lots of intangibles that few players posess, being the son of an nba player/nba head coach. Will he flop under a third coach as well? Fans want to see the shooting % of a pure shooter, the passing, shot creation, and courtvision of a top 3 pick. His defense has improved, but a lot has taken a step backward.

We gain some strengths with this trade, but there's still those lingering liabilities... I hope Gerald Wallace could be the wing version of Ben Wallace... and that we don't use Ely that much. I'd be glad to be rid of Pietrus/Dunleavy. And save cap for Ike n' Ellis

 

I change my mind. I can't justify taking away what little shooting we have for Gerald Wallace and Melvin Ely. Not unless there's some plan involved to get Devin Brown or Monta Ellis into the rotation.

If we're talking guys that can create and play defense, I think Ellis and Brown are my players for backcourt. But small forward... ah geez. We just have to rely on Gerald Wallace or Jrich to fill that up. If this trade went down, I'm sure Nelson would install Wallace as a power forward sometimes.

For center/power forward Melvin Ely is probably more ready than Biedrins but he's not that hard working compared to Biedrins or Ike or Foyle.

 

My gut is against this trade if we have to trade away any of our young prospects or draft picks. CR pretty much echoes my personal scouting report for Wallace and the overall situation. I'd love to get rid of Dunleavy's contract, and this is really the only way we can do it (as the Bobcats are still under the cap), but giving up future potential just to clear cap space and avoid the luxury tax isn't a strong enough lure.

Ely's always been tagged as not being a hustle player (look at the poor rebounding records). Although he's decent, he's nothing to get excited about. Wallace is a good player and can do the little things we may need, it may only be a rental (as he has two years remaining; the second being a player option for about $6-7 million, and he could very well leave after a year).

 

Where do I sign (assuming that we don't give up Biedrins)? Frankly, I think the article is out of the mind. Why in the world Bobcat even think about getting Dunleavy and his heavy salary in first place? And, they just drafted Morrison, who will only play SF in NBA. In return, we gets extreme upgrade version of Pietrus and Ely, whom I can't really care less. To me, it's no brainer for us, and no brainer for Bobcat. Sudden series of moves indicate that Nelson is busy shaping the team to his taste...

 

Back East Dunleavy has a bigger name, plus this is the first year that the Bobcats get a full salary cap correct? If Biedrins is replaced with Taft or a pick I say jump all over it. Otherwise, it's a little too much IMO

 

I'm not sure the Bobcats have reached the salary cap because they are probably one of the top 5 lowest teams in payroll (structured that way until Bobcats franchise actually makes money). Plus, they don't have anyone that has a real big contract.

I'm not sure why the Bobcats would want Dunleavy either, since Morrison is a better shooting more aggressive version of him with better go-to moves. Morrison was the real bonafide star on his team, not another Duke role player bust.

If this trade went down, maybe it wouldn't be so bad because one thing is for certain Pietrus and Dunleavy have forgotten how to shoot the ball and they have problems creating their own shot. Maybe Gerald Wallace will get one bad contract out from under us, Pietrus + Biedrins would be the bait. We wouldn't owe Pietrus anything when he's due for extension next offseason and we don't have to concentrate on developing Biedrins whose upside is probably now fallen a bit to something like Tyson Chandler (very limited and we'll probably end up trading him anyway unless Mullin jacks up his salary like all the other role players). Without any signs of life in an honest offense game, Andris' lost his potential to be something like a 240 lb Jermaine O'neil around the basket.

If we can keep Taft or Biedrins, either way. As long as we keep one potentially devastating player.

 

[quote name='custodianrules2'] we don't have to concentrate on developing Biedrins whose upside is probably now fallen a bit to something like Tyson Chandler QUOTE]


Why has Biedrins potential dropped? He's just as athletic as he always was and still has good hands, he's just never been given a serious chance. Granted, the times he has received minutes he picks up a ton of fouls, but he can't learn by being pulled immediately. I still believe that as he gains strength (and he's still young enough to do it) he will be able to play better defense without fouling and then being on the floor will allow him to develop his offensive game. Without looking at his stats I think that it took JO 5 or 6 years to become a dominant offensive player. I do think that it is pretty optimistic to think he can score as much as JO but I can definately see him getting to the 15-16 point range, with is pretty damn good for a big that can play defense.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ryanfish:</div><div class="quote_post">[quote name='custodianrules2'] we don't have to concentrate on developing Biedrins whose upside is probably now fallen a bit to something like Tyson Chandler QUOTE]


Why has Biedrins potential dropped? He's just as athletic as he always was and still has good hands, he's just never been given a serious chance. Granted, the times he has received minutes he picks up a ton of fouls, but he can't learn by being pulled immediately. I still believe that as he gains strength (and he's still young enough to do it) he will be able to play better defense without fouling and then being on the floor will allow him to develop his offensive game. Without looking at his stats I think that it took JO 5 or 6 years to become a dominant offensive player. I do think that it is pretty optimistic to think he can score as much as JO but I can definately see him getting to the 15-16 point range, with is pretty damn good for a big that can play defense.</div>
Yeah, I see your point. I guess I'm impatient with the guy because of his age and progress. I think very few big men end up becoming guys like Jermaine O'neil and the current feeling is he's not going to be like him as he develops. I don't think J.O. had that bad of a problem with his shooting mechanic, but I could be wrong. In the mean time, Biedrins just seems like one of these Tyson Chandler or Jeff Foster type guys that are stuck in between power forward and center, both can't shoot, and pretty much all they can do is dunk, rebound, or block shots. Maybe in a fast paced offense, a guy like that is what we need, but his liability as a foul shooter is as bad as Murphy's liability as a defender. When Biedrins makes a foul shot, the arena gives him a standing ovation.

On draft day his upside was Jermaine O'neil and Chris Bosh type defense which would hopefully turn around into some form of offensive game. Well to me, he seems pretty much like the guy who will never posess the shooting range or touch of those two players. So I guess that's why I felt he slipped to Tyson Chandler level. Chandler still has lots of potential, but everyone can pretty much assume that Chandler's offensive game won't really be there at this point. He won't become Kevin Garnett or Rasheed Wallace because those guys can actually shoot. I think the Biedrins matter is very much tied to how a hyped up and overpaid guy like Tyson Chandler could get when guys figure out they can't shoot because they never practiced enough at an early age. Unless Biedrins is like Shaq, I don't know how he's going to get inside. I guess he could be sort of like a Kenyon Martin type guy but he has to play above the rim a lot more and get stronger than Kenyon Martin.

 

Biedrins has a ton of potential, but he won't be a star. He's a very good bench player IMO though and I'd like to have him stay with the Warriors.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Biedrins has a ton of potential, but he won't be a star. He's a very good bench player IMO though and I'd like to have him stay with the Warriors.</div>
Well, it's also not just that but the fact that Melvin Ely will probably have to balance out the Dunleavy contract with a similar figure, we lose bird rights to Pietrus and Biedrins, and we only gain Gerald Wallace for maybe a year or two. Charlotte can absorb a contract with the extra cap space, but that's foolish IMO and besides, big men always go for a lot higher than normal swing players... Just look at Foyle, Jerome James, and all these other nearly useless stiffs. Also Charlotte had just drafted Adam Morrison only to have Dunleavy for 4-5 more years as his backup? Man...

So we're then stuck with Ely where we already have tons of centers and we lose some prospects that could still turn around... Maybe the Warriors would not have a chance to re-sign Gerald Wallace when his deal expires. Business side of things is always tough because I would gladly take Gerald Wallace, but I'm looking further down the road when a player like Wallace would not matter much because the whole team needs to balance itself out. This means better contracts, a talented team that fits and can stay together for the long term. This trade would make it so we don't have to worry about extending either Biedrins or Pietrus... but maybe a better sign and trade option rests out there when we get these players' values up.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Charlotte can absorb a contract with the extra cap space, but that's foolish IMO and besides, big men always go for a lot higher than normal swing players... Just look at Foyle, Jerome James, and all these other nearly useless stiffs. </div>

I think thats a special case... Mullin and Isaiah aren't particularly known for getting bargains. But you're right, big men do go for higher. What do you think Biedrins will be worth when his contract ends?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you think Biedrins will be worth when his contract ends?</div>
Too much!

Maybe with Bill Duffy it won't be as hardass as having superagent Dan Fegan (represents overpaid big dudes like Dampier, Murphy, Nene and some others like those guys)