<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Although I am by no means a Rob Babcock supporter and consider Rafael Araujo a terrible 8th pick, I disagree with a lot of the so called ?experts? regarding their assessment of the Raptor?s 2005 draft selections. In addition, I also believe that critics such as Stephen A. Smith and Dick Vitale (to a lesser extend) get paid the big bucks to be vocal and controversial. I mean, if Steven A. Smith had any extra special skills in judging basketball talent, NBA General Managers would be lining up and providing him with front office opportunities on their respective teams. Here are my reasons why the ESPN panel was WRONG in their assessment:</div> http://www.insidehoops.com/raps-draft-070105.shtml He pretty much sums everything up with that article.
A little tip for you guys, Don't try to convince yourself that the Raptors had a good draft, it's not working. Toronto did a bad decisions in the draft night, and in the finish line we didn't improved the team like we could.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Proz4k:</div><div class="quote_post">A little tip for you guys, Don't try to convince yourself that the Raptors had a good draft, it's not working. Toronto did a bad decisions in the draft night, and in the finish line we didn't improved the team like we could.</div> What's your supporting argument? You can't just say "in the finish line we didn't improve the team like we could" without backing it up. I know you wanted Granger, but just because we didn't get him you're saying we didn't improve.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">What's your supporting argument? You can't just say "in the finish line we didn't improve the team like we could" without backing it up. I know you wanted Granger, but just because we didn't get him you're saying we didn't improve.</div> that's exactly what we did last year with Araujo pick, we convinced by people that sad: "we needed a big man to move Bosh to 4" and you saw what happend. Now also i read alot of articles who support Bobcock and his picks in the first round. it's not only about Granger, all the worng decisions Bobcock made in the last two years, from now i will not expect for something good in his time in Toronto. We have no reason to be happy on our picks, we just didn't improved the team for next year playoff... maybe some move on the freeagents board, or some trade... We had a great opportunity to improve, just like last year draft, like Carter trade... but all the chances we had to improve Bobcock drop. Another Babcock Draft Blunder by Kostas Bolos saying it in the right way.
Ok... Babs made one mistake everyone knows that. I'm not going on his side for the Araujuo pick, but you've got to understand he had so little time to work with in last year's draft. He was appointed GM really late... know the facts buddy. And about this year... you say we won't be a playoff bound team this year. Maybe not, but do you really think drafting Granger instead of Villanueva would determine if we got to the playoffs or not this year? And Gerald Green who's the other player I'm assuming you thought we should've drafted... you want to wait 4 years for him to develop? Because he sure is not the next Lebron James. You also probably remember Tracy McGrady, and how he bolted ASAP after his rookie contract expired. Cough Green Cough. Now I also like Granger, but I understand why we picked Graham instead. Graham is more durable, we need consistency in all aspects. We don't want another Carter fiasco of injury problems. Babs wanted sure fire things, and Graham was that. Granger however is surefire, he has injury history and that's a big risk... why else do you think so many other teams passed on him.. think hard and deeply on this, because that's what Babcock did and noone else besides Raptor fasn have been analysing this draft situation as much... P.S - If you don't think we improved the team, I'm not sure what team you're watching. It is blatantly obvious that our team is much improved from last year. You can't dwell in the past Proz, 1 mistake can't make you keep a grudge on someone. P.P.S - And do you really think the majority of the journalists like the Toronto Raptors? We're north of the border, we're not american. PLUS, did you check the poll on the site you linked us. 27% think Raps had teh best draft... and there's alot more american people who vote than canadian.
I wouldn't call something like this a "good read" when it's obvious that it's written by just another Raptor fanboy. I'm not saying I don't agree w/ the guy b/c for the most part I do, I just don't see a need for something like this to be written. It's true that there are some analysts who think we screwed up on the draft, but the majority of them still think we did an okay job. People should just ignore the comments made by Steve A. Smith and the ESPN crew b/c they were just saying what all of us were thinking right after CV's name was called by David Stern. Besides, guys like Steve A. Smith make a living off bashing other people so I wouldn't be too concerned when he has something negative to say about someone on the Raptors organization.
well, the only reason i think that babs has been taking so much steam is because well, let's face it, araujo was pure garbage. However, when you look at the Charlotte Bobcats, sure they picked Felton, but why would you pick another pf in Sean May. I just dont know why. During the broadcast, howver, the panel was praising Charlotte for their pick and bashing the Raptors for taking Charlie V. Charlie is 7 Feet!! Sean May is 6 9 w/o shoes and ESPN thinks picking Sean May when there's Okafor is better than Charlie V with CB4. I just dont understand that...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Stunt101:</div><div class="quote_post">well, the only reason i think that babs has been taking so much steam is because well, let's face it, araujo was pure garbage. However, when you look at the Charlotte Bobcats, sure they picked Felton, but why would you pick another pf in Sean May. I just dont know why. During the broadcast, howver, the panel was praising Charlotte for their pick and bashing the Raptors for taking Charlie V. Charlie is 7 Feet!! Sean May is 6 9 w/o shoes and ESPN thinks picking Sean May when there's Okafor is better than Charlie V with CB4. I just dont understand that...</div> I agree, other than bringing in tickets i dont see how may was a great pick.
It's pointless to try to decide whether or not this was a good draft or not... we picked three players, none of which have played an NBA game yet. So, how can we tell whether or not they were good picks? Sure, make your predictions, but don't give opinions as facts. The bottom line to this argument is that you can't come onto the boards on June 29th or whatever and say, "Stupidest pick ever! Babcock should be fired! We should've picked Granger! We should've picked Green!" Nobody KNOWS. Just wait, and then we can decide.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You also probably remember Tracy McGrady, and how he bolted ASAP after his rookie contract expired. Cough Green Cough.</div> When we had Tmac, their was no restricted free agency. With Green, we'd have to right to match any offer he get's if he becomes a free agent, and at least get to do a sign and trade. So it's not really the same situation... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Granger however is surefire, he has injury history and that's a big risk... why else do you think so many other teams passed on him.. think hard and deeply on this, because that's what Babcock did and noone else besides Raptor fasn have been analysing this draft situation as much...</div> To tell the truth, their was really only 2 teams that passed on him, Charlotte and Minnesotta. Everyone else had made promises, or had previously determined who they were drafting. GS - Diogu, LAC - Korolev, NJ - Wright etc....Charlotte took the hometown guy for business reasons, and Minnesotta are just idiots, they had one of the worst drafts IMO. Charlotte obviously isn't planning on winning anytime soon, and they'll be in the lottery next year again where they'll be able to get a swingman, so it's fine for them, no one is pressing them to do anything soon. The Raptors obviously improved, that can't be questioned, talent wise the team got better, they just didn't improve as much as they could've.
Granger is actually more versatile than people give him credit for. He only missed 2 games due to injury and even though i think we shoulve gotten him instead, Babs has a plan in place so that we could win
Granger is versatile but he didn't miss only 2 games to injury... he missed a plethora of games... especially in his sophmore season where he played 14 games.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">When we had Tmac, their was no restricted free agency. With Green, we'd have to right to match any offer he get's if he becomes a free agent, and at least get to do a sign and trade. So it's not really the same situation...</div> That doesn't mean it will stop Green if he hated Toronto that much... which it kinda seemed like he did... Remember Steve Francis in Vancouver?? We don't want another disgruntled star who we force to keep in Toronto due to restricted free agency. And what if he purposely plays bad so we'd trade him, who knwos what an immature high schooler would do to a place that he hates.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Granger is versatile but he didn't miss only 2 games to injury... he missed a plethora of games... especially in his sophmore season where he played 14 games.</div> He transfered after 14 games that season from Bradley to New Mexico, it wasn't injuries...
