Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing http://82games.com/fouldraw.htmGreat read if you can handle the stats.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing I can sum it up in one sentence: Players that drive the most, drive the most agressively, and sell the foul, will get to the line the most. Wade is arguably the best in the league at all 3, and is why he gets so many FTA. Does he get the benefit of the doubt more than others? Yes, because of how much he drives to the basket, how he never complains to the refs (I know someone will bring up the LA game, but that was a fairly isolated incident), and how he is, afterall, a superstar!Nice stats, though. Surprised to see Billups and Maggette so high up.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 21 2007, 08:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can sum it up in one sentence: Players that drive the most, drive the most agressively, and sell the foul, will get to the line the most. Wade is arguably the best in the league at all 3, and is why he gets so many FTA. Does he get the benefit of the doubt more than others? Yes, because of how much he drives to the basket, how he never complains to the refs (I know someone will bring up the LA game, but that was a fairly isolated incident), and how he is, afterall, a superstar!Nice stats, though. Surprised to see Billups and Maggette so high up.</div>Try again. Wade has the refs in his pocket. He has the psychology on ways to dictate what the refs call a la Ginobili. He sells the calls and the refs take it.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 21 2007, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Try again. Wade has the refs in his pocket. He has the psychology on ways to dictate what the refs call a la Ginobili. He sells the calls and the refs take it.</div>I don't know about you but I would do the same thing if I was in the NBA, don't hate the player hate the game.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 21 2007, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Try again. Wade has the refs in his pocket.</div>Hmmm.... Let's see a quote from you in your 1st post in the Wade vs Kobe topic:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>He gets all the calls as well because of his relentlessness to the basket.</div>
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing And...? He throws himself into the defenders and gets the calls. That is both relentless and selling calls.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 21 2007, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And...? He throws himself into the defenders and gets the calls. That is both relentless and selling calls.</div>Haha ok man. You're such a hypocrite. I said in this thread he gets the calls because he's so relentless and agressive at basket, along with selling calls. You said 'No', and then said it is because he has the refs in his pockets.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 22 2007, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Haha ok man. You're such a hypocrite. I said in this thread he gets the calls because he's so relentless and agressive at basket, along with selling calls. You said 'No', and then said it is because he has the refs in his pockets.</div>It's not as simple as that. Wade gets the calls which I count as a part of his game sadly. All it shows is I don't let my dislike towards a player decide his worth. Wade is better than he should be because of the refs. Especially the refs that matter which are the ones that Stern selects in the playoffs. F*ck Stern. Bavetta, Javie, Joey Crawford and Danny Crawford.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing Well I think we cleared up who the Wade homer/hater is in this thread.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 21 2007, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not as simple as that. Wade gets the calls which I count as a part of his game sadly. All it shows is I don't let my dislike towards a player decide his worth. Wade is better than he should be because of the refs. Especially the refs that matter which are the ones that Stern selects in the playoffs. F*ck Stern. Bavetta, Javie, Joey Crawford and Danny Crawford.</div>Wade is shooting 50% from the field. He gets 8APG. He is getting 2SPG and over 1BPG (which is a lot for a 6'4'' guard). He is shooting better than LeBron is from outside the 2-3ft area around the basket. You know he is as clutch as anyone not named Kobe in the league. He drives more than anyone else in the league, more agressively than anyone else in league, and sells the fouls. Don't use the refs to discredit Wade, because he does much more than just score. Judging by those stats and the "star treatment" stat, you could discredit Billups, Maggette and Pierce as well (but I'm sure you won't seeing as they aren't the ones who downed the Mavs in the Finals). And AGAIN, look at what you said in the Kobe/Wade thread to see how much you have changed your views on Wade.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing I never said Wade wasn't great. He doesn't need any extra help from the refs though which is what he gets. Especially from the refs I mentioned above who love him.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 21 2007, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I never said Wade wasn't great. He doesn't need any extra help from the refs though which is what he gets. Especially from the refs I mentioned above who love him.</div>Again, YOU said in the other thread that he gets so many calls because he is so relentless to the basket. Then, when you're not comparing him to someone you hate more, you're discrediting him as a player and said he wouldn't be the player he is without the refs. Would AI be AI if he didn't get to the line 10x a night (last year he got to the line 12x a night and I didn't hear ANYTHING)? Would GA be where he is without all the calls he gets? So please, give me a break. He plays to his strengths, which is driving to the basket. He does it more efffectively and more often than anyone else in the league, and it isn't appauling at how much he gets to the line because of it.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing I thought for Wade to get to the FT line the defender has to be in motion and looking like he might make contact with him...I'm just going by what I saw in the finals last year.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Feb 22 2007, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Again, YOU said in the other thread that he gets so many calls because he is so relentless to the basket. Then, when you're not comparing him to someone you hate more, you're discrediting him as a player and said he wouldn't be the player he is without the refs. Would AI be AI if he didn't get to the line 10x a night (last year he got to the line 12x a night and I didn't hear ANYTHING)? Would GA be where he is without all the calls he gets? So please, give me a break. He plays to his strengths, which is driving to the basket. He does it more efffectively and more often than anyone else in the league, and it isn't appauling at how much he gets to the line because of it.</div>Dude stfu. I said Wade gets more calls than anyone else. Nothing about it in those words says Wade isn't great with the calls. It's just in big games he has the refs giving an unusual amount of free throws. More than Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal got which is pathetic.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 21 2007, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude stfu. I said Wade gets more calls than anyone else. Nothing about it in those words says Wade isn't great with the calls. It's just in big games he has the refs giving an unusual amount of free throws. More than Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal got which is pathetic.</div>You said in this thread that he gets calls because he has the refs in his pocket, and said I was wrong in saying he gets them because he is so relentless at basket and how he sells the fouls. Then I showed a quote by you in which YOU said that Wade gets so many calls because he is so relentless at basket and NEVER said in that thread ANYTHING about the refs or how they make him such a better player. When I showed you the quote, you went on a rant about Wade and the refs. Hypocrite.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing You are going on my ignore list. You just like to argue on nothing. I told you Wade is a great player even without the refs but the refs make him even better. I don't know why you can't understand that simple conflict. I did mention the refs briefly in that Kobe thread but it wasn't the time to argue about the refs. I use the refs as a part of Wade's game in his stats vs. Kobe stats which I found out Kobe is still sligtly better shooting wise. I'm done with this topic.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 21 2007, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You are going on my ignore list. You just like to argue on nothing. I told you Wade is a great player even without the refs but the refs make him even better. I don't know why you can't understand that simple conflict. I did mention the refs briefly in that Kobe thread but it wasn't the time to argue about the refs. I use the refs as a part of Wade's game in his stats vs. Kobe stats which I found out Kobe is still sligtly better shooting wise. I'm done with this topic.</div>All I did wa sshow you how you contradicted yourself in this topic and the other topic, and then you went on a whole rant about Wade and the refs, saying f*ck David Stern and all that crap. It bothers me how you are a constant contradiction, whether it be about Wade, or about anything/anyone else. I really don't care all that much what you think of Wade, but don't say something completely opposite of what you said somewhere else. I know he is a great player, and does far more than score, and I don't need you to tell me that.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing The things I said in a summary.1. Wade is an efficient player2. Wade gets the calls3. Kobe is a more efficient player than I thought. (Better than Wade)4. Wade is a better passer5. Kobe is overrated defensively though better than Wade.6. Wade is more athletic than Kobe. Steals, blocks, and etc. I focused on number 2 on this topic. You can call it contradiction which I totally disagree with.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Feb 21 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The things I said in a summary.1. Wade is an efficient player2. Wade gets the calls3. Kobe is a more efficient player than I thought. (Better than Wade)4. Wade is a better passer5. Kobe is overrated defensively though better than Wade.6. Wade is more athletic than Kobe. Steals, blocks, and etc. I focused on number 2 on this topic. You can call it contradiction which I totally disagree with.</div>What my thing is is that in the other thread you say he gets calls because he is so relentless at the basket. In this thread you said I was wrong when I said this (and that he sells fouls), and then you go on to say he has the refs in his pockets. I showed you the quote from the other thread, and then you went on a rant about Wade, the refs, and Stern. The way you contradict yourself and change your views on people depending on who you are comparing them tois bothering and makes you lose a ton of credibility.
Re: Great Article on Wade's Foul Drawing Ah Wade gets calls just by watching the game. :rolleyes Of course Wade has to do something to get calls and that is to force contact. I didn't say being aggresive meant he was always getting hit and deserving of those calls. Maybe I should've mentioned that before that. I wish you could understand that.
