Iv'e seen a few threads about who was better than who, so I decided to make a thread of who is the greatest of all time in each position. Just list who you think is the best at each position and one or two reasons of support. Then list who you think the Greatest of All Time is/was at the end of your list. Here's mine: Center- Wilt Chamberlain, Averaged 50 points in a season, only center to lead leauge in assists and rebounds, physically dominating force, team leader great defensive player and 100 points in a single game. need I say more? Power Forward- Karl Malone, Yes I know he hasn't won a ring but he still is a great player that can play good defense, play in the post and take a player off the dribble. He's a great versitale player. Small Forward- Larry Bird, He had a mindset for the game, knew how to get in other players heads, played great defense, a great inspiration for his teammates, performed in the clutch and had the best jumpshot in history. Shooting Guard- Julius Erving, One of the best dunkers in history that was an all around good player that could take it to the basket. Point Guard- Bob Cousy, he created great shots for his teammates, played exellent defense, could steal the ball from just about anyone and was a great player to have out in transition. ou can't forget his amazing ballhandling skills either. Greatest Of All Time- WIlt Chamberlain, for reasons listed above.
C - Wilt PF - Malone SF - Bird SG - Jordan PG - Magic It's soooooo simple that there cannot be any alternate lineups.
AA13, Julius Erving played SF I believe, not the SG position. MJ's not on that list, so you might want to re think it. PLus I think if you consider Oscar Robertson a PG, than he was better than both Cousy and Johnson. Cousy paved the way for above 6'0 tall players to run the point, but Oscar at 6'5 was the first true big man to run the point. So aside from the guards I agree with your rankings.
C- Shaquille O' Neal/Wilt Chamberlin PF- Tim Duncan/Karl Malone SF- Larry Bird/Julius Erving SG- MJ/Kobe PG-Magic Johnson/Oscar Robertson
Team Fantastic C. Hakeem Olajuwon | Shaquille O'neal PF. Karl Malone | Charles Barkley SF. Larry Bird | Dominique Wilkens SG. Michael Jordan | Anfernee Hardaway PG. John Stockton | Magic Johnson Coach: Phil Jackson
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting S.Livingston14:</div><div class="quote_post">AA13, Julius Erving played SF I believe, not the SG position. MJ's not on that list, so you might want to re think it. PLus I think if you consider Oscar Robertson a PG, than he was better than both Cousy and Johnson. Cousy paved the way for above 6'0 tall players to run the point, but Oscar at 6'5 was the first true big man to run the point. So aside from the guards I agree with your rankings.</div> AA13 has a thing against Jordan, I think. Perhaps he didn't watch him play much in his prime, because if he did there'd be little doubt that he's the greatest ever at his position. Jordan could do almost anything Dr. J could do, PLUS he was a greater playmaker, ball-handler, defensive player, and outside shooter. My list: C - Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest. Some may say Russell because he won so much and dominated the defensive end, others may say Kareem because of his longevity, and still others may say Shaq because of his unmatched power. But Chamberlain was the greatest rebounding center ever, and in the first half of his career his scoring was God-like. He was a great shot-blocker throughout his career, and he became a superb passer in the second half of his career. Wilt's skills as a big man were unmatched. PF - This is probably the toughest one, but I'll say Karl Malone. I think Garnett right now is better than Malone ever was, and Duncan's 5 year stretch is better than any stretch Malone had. But Malone was so good for so long, I have to choose him. If Garnett and Duncan can continue to do what they're doing for 10 more years, they'd definitely be greater. I think a person could make a good case for any of those 3, though. Even Barkely deserves mention. At 6'5 his rebounding feats were more impressive than the other three, and he was better ball-handler than any of them. SF - Larry Bird was the greatest. I can't think of any one else who's even close. Elgin Baylor was a great scorer and rebounder in his day (I think he probably was a 4 back then, but he's better suited as a 3), but Bird could do so much more. Dr. J had more flash with his jaw-dropping swoops to the basket, but Bird helped him team win in so many ways. In my opinion, Bird is the greatest all-around player ever to play the game. He wasn't super-athletic and he could get burned playing individual defense, but he was a great team defender (hence all the All-Defensive Team selections) and so smart on offensive that he could always get his shot. Today, LeBron James just out of his teens is probably already the best SF in the game. He has the best shot at unseating Bird as the greatest SF of all time, but it won't be easy. t f SG - Michael Jordan's the greatest, without question. Some may say that he's unquestionably the greatest player, period, but I'd hesitate to place him over Chamberlain. But he's the greatest perimeter/wing player ever. Greater than Bird, Magic, Oscar, Dr. J, and West. At his peak, his game was virtually flawless -- something you can't say about anyone else. PG - Magic Johnson is the greatest PG. Oscar and West both were playmaking guards, but Magic redefined the point guard role. He was the greatest floor general the game has ever seen, and he's one of a select few who could probably have played every position on the court. John Stockton is one of my favorite players, and I think he deserves mention. Like Malone, he had incredible longevity. Stockton might have been the greatest playmaker in a half-court set. But I choose Magic over him because of his brilliance on the fast break and his rebounding and scoring abilities.
My Fantasy Teams <u>Old School Starters</u> Point Guard: Magic Johnson Shooting Guard: Michael Jordan Small Forward: Larry Bird Power Forward: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Center: Wilt Chamberlain <u>New School Starters</u> Point Guard: Allen Iverson Shooting Guard: Tracy McGrady Small Forward:Kevin Garnett Power Forward: Tim Duncan Center: Shaquille O'Neal
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting S.Livingston14:</div><div class="quote_post">AA13, Julius Erving played SF I believe, not the SG position. MJ's not on that list, so you might want to re think it. PLus I think if you consider Oscar Robertson a PG, than he was better than both Cousy and Johnson. Cousy paved the way for above 6'0 tall players to run the point, but Oscar at 6'5 was the first true big man to run the point. So aside from the guards I agree with your rankings.</div> Julius Erving played a Sf or a Sg depending on the situations. I don't have a "thing" against Jordan Durvsa. He's a great player, one of the top 6 of all time but he's not one of my favorite players. He accomplished great things. I'll give him his credit. IMO Julius Eriving and Michael Jordan could have played pretty evelnly against each other if they had played against each other. But Michael is in my top 6 favorite players of all time I love his style of play but I never really was a big fan of his in the 90's but I'm begining to like him more. I'm watching old tapes of him a lot now and researching more about him . I thought Robertson was a Sg/Sf. I didn't know that he ever ran the point.
My team owns all C-Shaq PF-Tim Duncan SF-Larry Bird SG- Micheal Jordan PG- MAgic Johnson Why Shaq? Shaq didn't rely on athlism unlike Wilt Chamberlain. If you take a look at their stats Wilt wasn't nearly able to score as much when he got older. HE went from 50 PPG to 13 PPG. It was because of two things. 1) More size wasentering the leasgue and 2) he wasn't as athlettic anymore. Shaq relies on dominance and that will stay with him as he progresses. Wilt is the runner-up but overall Shaq has the success, Wil has the stats. Great players win......... Why Tim Duncan? Tim Duncan has done one thing since entering the league. He has won. He never had a losing season since entering the league. The runner-up would be KArl Malone. Like I said Great Playes win....... IF KArl MAlone is the greatest power forward ever why can't he have a ring? When it's all said and done everyone will agree on Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan again does not rely on athlism which KG does. Kg will struggle when hes older but Duncan will continue to dominate the game. Why Bird? Why not? THis man led a Bosto Celtics team to multiple championships. HE battles yearly for a championship for pretty much an entire decade(80's). Let's see lol nothing more to say. Why Jordan? I think we all can agree on this so no use explaining anything. Why MAgic Johnson? For those of you who want a pass first PG such as John Stockton Magic can do that. MAgic has a good passing and scoring game. Stockon only passing. He isn't much of a scorer. Again How many rings does Stockton have? 0!! Magic is a much more versaatile player capable of playing ALL positions and he proved it wen he played center scoring 42 in the Finals whn KAreem was out(can't reember the exact year). He battle with Bird yearly as well. All of these players have one thing in common. THey are winners. Titles Shaq: 3(possible another in career) Tim Duncan: 2(has a good chance to get more in his career) Larry Bird: 3 Micheal Jordan: 6 Magic Johnson: 5 I didn't base this solely on winning either or Bill Russel would be in there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ace2k2:</div><div class="quote_post"> Why Shaq? Shaq didn't rely on athlism unlike Wilt Chamberlain. If you take a look at their stats Wilt wasn't nearly able to score as much when he got older. HE went from 50 PPG to 13 PPG. It was because of two things. 1) More size wasentering the leasgue and 2) he wasn't as athlettic anymore. Shaq relies on dominance and that will stay with him as he progresses. Wilt is the runner-up but overall Shaq has the success, Wilt has the stats. Great players win.........</div> I think Shaq relies quite a bit on his athleticism. His quickness and agility around the basket are freakish for a man his size. Right now, in his 12th year, Shaq is averaging just over 20 ppg. Wilt averaged just under 15 in his 12th year, but he also shot 65% from the field and led the league in rebounding. His next year he scored only 13 a game, but he shot an amazing 73% from the field and (of course) again led the league in rebounding. Wilt could have still scored 20 ppg if he wanted or needed to. But with big time scorers like Jerry West and Gail Goodrich on his team, it wouldn't have been the right decision. Wilt's offensive dominnace went beyond pure athleticism. He had a beautiful finger-roll move, and a lethal turn-around jumper from around 8 feet. He led the league in assists. And Wilt did win two championships, and was Finals MVP for both. No one dogs Hakeem Olajuwon for ONLY winning two championships, so why is Wilt cast as the loser who only achieved good stats and nothing else?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't have a "thing" against Jordan Durvsa. He's a great player, one of the top 6 of all time but he's not one of my favorite players. He accomplished great things. I'll give him his credit. IMO Julius Erving and Michael Jordan could have played pretty evelnly against each other if they had played against each other.</div> I think Jordan is better than Erving, hands down. Maybe you can give Erving some extra credit because his high-flying act preceded Jordan's, but MJ was more of a complete player and mentally was tougher as well. Putting aside Jordan's championship success in the 90s, he was easy the greatest individual performer of the late 80s. After setting a playoff record with 63 points against Boston in the 86 playoffs, his next four seasons were statistically unmatched for a guard: 86-87: 37.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.6 apg, 48%, 2.9 spg 87-88: 35.0 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 5.9 apg, 54%, 3.2 spg 88-89: 32.5 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 8.0 apg, 54%, 2.9 spg 89-90: 33.6 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 6.3 apg, 53%, 2.8 spg These years represent Jordan at his physical peak. By the numbers, the only thing Erving was better at over his career was rebounding, but then he primarily was a forward so that's to be expected.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting durvasa:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Shaq relies quite a bit on his athleticism. His quickness and agility around the basket are freakish for a man his size. Right now, in his 12th year, Shaq is averaging just over 20 ppg. Wilt averaged just under 15 in his 12th year, but he also shot 65% from the field and led the league in rebounding. His next year he scored only 13 a game, but he shot an amazing 73% from the field and (of course) again led the league in rebounding. Wilt could have still scored 20 ppg if he wanted or needed to. But with big time scorers like Jerry West and Gail Goodrich on his team, it wouldn't have been the right decision. Wilt's offensive dominnace went beyond pure athleticism. He had a beautiful finger-roll move, and a lethal turn-around jumper from around 8 feet. He led the league in assists. And Wilt did win two championships, and was Finals MVP for both. No one dogs Hakeem Olajuwon for ONLY winning two championships, so why is Wilt cast as the loser who only achieved good stats and nothing else?</div> Of course all players relie on athletism a little. But Wilt relied on it too much. Alright Wilt did't shoot as much when he got older because there were people other than Bill Russell who could acually block him. Also its earier to shoot a high percentage when u take less shots. What's easier shooting 1 shot and getting 100 FG% or 100 shots and 100%? He could still rebound good because the game was fast paced and he was tall thus his rebounding went up. HE led the leauge in assist because he couldn't battle with guys like Kareem so he just passed. I also NEVER mentioned Hakeem. Wilt was surrounded with a LOAD of talent almost his whole career. HAkeem was just loaded with talent where he had Drexler with him. Shaq won 3 consecutive championships and was finals MVP consecutively three times. winning 3 consecutive championships is one of the hardest things in the NBA to do and only a few dynasties have done it. ONly ones I can think of are Jordans Bulls, Russells Celtics, and Shaqs Lakers at the moment.
C- Wilt: he was just the greatest PF- Mikan: he's old but he paved the way for big guys SF- Jordan: do i need to explain? SG- Bird: Greatest 3-point shooter PG- the big O: only player to average a triple double for a season 2nd string C- Dominique or robertson, both great PF- Abduhl-Jabar SF- Maravich SG- drexler PG- Cousy
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ace2k2:</div><div class="quote_post">My team owns all C-Shaq PF-Tim Duncan SF-Larry Bird SG- Micheal Jordan PG- MAgic Johnson Why Shaq? Shaq didn't rely on athlism unlike Wilt Chamberlain. If you take a look at their stats Wilt wasn't nearly able to score as much when he got older. HE went from 50 PPG to 13 PPG. It was because of two things. 1) More size wasentering the leasgue and 2) he wasn't as athlettic anymore. Shaq relies on dominance and that will stay with him as he progresses. Wilt is the runner-up but overall Shaq has the success, Wil has the stats. Great players win......... Why Tim Duncan? Tim Duncan has done one thing since entering the league. He has won. He never had a losing season since entering the league. The runner-up would be KArl Malone. Like I said Great Playes win....... IF KArl MAlone is the greatest power forward ever why can't he have a ring? When it's all said and done everyone will agree on Tim Duncan. Tim Duncan again does not rely on athlism which KG does. Kg will struggle when hes older but Duncan will continue to dominate the game. Why Bird? Why not? THis man led a Bosto Celtics team to multiple championships. HE battles yearly for a championship for pretty much an entire decade(80's). Let's see lol nothing more to say. Why Jordan? I think we all can agree on this so no use explaining anything. Why MAgic Johnson? For those of you who want a pass first PG such as John Stockton Magic can do that. MAgic has a good passing and scoring game. Stockon only passing. He isn't much of a scorer. Again How many rings does Stockton have? 0!! Magic is a much more versaatile player capable of playing ALL positions and he proved it wen he played center scoring 42 in the Finals whn KAreem was out(can't reember the exact year). He battle with Bird yearly as well. All of these players have one thing in common. THey are winners. Titles Shaq: 3(possible another in career) Tim Duncan: 2(has a good chance to get more in his career) Larry Bird: 3 Micheal Jordan: 6 Magic Johnson: 5 I didn't base this solely on winning either or Bill Russel would be in there.</div> i totally agree except with duncan, i think malone would b appropriate
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">By: PF 21 C- Wilt: he was just the greatest PF- Mikan: he's old but he paved the way for big guys SF- Jordan: do i need to explain? SG- Bird: Greatest 3-point shooter PG- the big O: only player to average a triple double for a season 2nd string C- Dominique or robertson, both great PF- Abduhl-Jabar SF- Maravich SG- drexler PG- Cousy</div> For your first team, you should switch Bird and Jordan, so they were on their respective positions. And for your second string I would enjoy seeing Pistol Pete at 6'0 playing the 3 spot. Care to explain how that would happen? Same with Wilkins 6'6 at Center along with Oscar?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting S.Livingston14:</div><div class="quote_post">For your first team, you should switch Bird and Jordan, so they were on their respective positions. And for your second string I would enjoy seeing Pistol Pete at 6'0 playing the 3 spot. Care to explain how that would happen? Same with Wilkins 6'6 at Center along with Oscar?</div> I didnt mean oscar robertson i meant San Antonios center a little while ago, i may have gotten the name wrong And why can't maravich play the 3 spot, I'd put hmi ther cuz i treat 3s like guards
