This is priceless. I fully expect Millen to lodge another complaint w/ the league. ROFL. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (John Clayton)</div><div class='quotemain'>After the Lions tried to get the best of the Dolphins by threatening to trade Joey Harrington to Cleveland, the Dolphins are turning the heat up on the Lions. They've pulled their offer of a sixth-round choice in 2007 for Harrington. Instead, they will wait until he is cut. The Lions complained to the NFL that Harrington had a deal with the Dolphins, but he was given permission to seek a trade and work out a new contract to fit under the cap. The Lions hoped for the Browns to bail them out by trading them a fourth- or fifth-round choice Sunday. The Browns changed their minds when Harrington said he was going to Miami. If the Lions don't cut Harrington by June 15, they owe him a $4 million roster bonus. The only thing Harrington could do to speed up the process is show up at the Lions facility and try to practice.</div> It appears Jo Jo Dancer is stuck in Motown and the hits keep on coming. Will this teach Millen to try & stick it to Saban? Doubt it. MM is as dense as they come.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>That's awesome... Dolphins for the win. </div> I can guarantee you that there are no winners in this soap opera. The Lions will get market value for "Doey in the Headlights", and that's nothing. The real idiot in this is former Michigan State coach Nick Saban. For him to even offer <u>any</u> draft pick for such a useless player with manhood issues exposes that fact that he's in over his head. I can hardly wait to see what Saban's willing to pay her. More over, the Manlove for Saban by Dolphin fans on this board is outright creepy. Seems to me "Jo Jo Dancer" is their kinda guy.
hahaha i know Joey Harrington didnt work out so well in Detriot but that doesnt mean he shouldnt get a 2nd chance and backing up Duante would be good for him. More than that it proves how fucking stupid Matt Millen is he is probably one of the worst GMs in the leauge. Sorry lions fans
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>More over, the Manlove for Saban by Dolphin fans on this board is outright creepy. Seems to me "Jo Jo Dancer" is their kinda guy.</div> Perhaps if the Lions ever get a quality head coach, you will understand....
I think both Saban and MM were not too smart with this. I don't see why Saban didn't wait until the Lions released Harrington in the first place - and why MM didn't get whatever he could for Harrington is beyond me. MM took a gamble on what was IMO a generous offer from Saban and lost big-time. Who is the real loser here? Joey Harrington. Don't worry, though, he's used to losing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>MM took a gamble on what was IMO a generous offer from Saban and lost big-time.</div> Generous? The fact of the matter is that the last Miami 6th round draft pick to make it in the NFL was Reggie Roby from 1983! That's 23 years ago for those of you educated in the public schools. The point is a 6th round pick is virtually the same as nothing and could hardly be called generous. Let's be honest here. Did Millen "Lose Big Time" or did he "Lose virtually nothing"? I say the latter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>I can guarantee you that there are no winners in this soap opera. The Lions will get market value for "Doey in the Headlights", and that's nothing. The real idiot in this is former Michigan State coach Nick Saban. For him to even offer <u>any</u> draft pick for such a useless player with manhood issues exposes that fact that he's in over his head. I can hardly wait to see what Saban's willing to pay her. More over, the Manlove for Saban by Dolphin fans on this board is outright creepy. Seems to me "Jo Jo Dancer" is their kinda guy.</div> The winners are JH & Nick for wanting and getting out of Michigan, respectively. If memory serves Harrington did okay before coming to Detroit. Saban brought some success to the Spartans and now even Iowa St & Northwestern are more prolific football programs in the Big 10. As for offering a draft pick (albeit a low 2nd day pick in the future), its called negotiation in which give and take exist. ZM; all the animosity towards Harrington, why? I know. You were one of those that were doing cartwheels when he drafted and rushed out to get his jersey, thinking a franchise QB... finally. Then, the Lions mystique took over.
I'm just waiting for Mr. Private School to quit arguing in circles. In one post, Zach blasts Joey Harrington for not being worth anything and, in the very same post, blasts the Dolphins for only offering a sixth round draft pick for Harrington. Make up your mind, puh-leeze. How smart would Saban be to give up a high draft pick for a QB that, supposedly, isn't worth anything? Why keep complaining because you not getting something for what you deem is nothing? Rather than worry about what the Dolphins head coach is doing, if I were a Lions' fan, I would be worrying about how my GM could possible no so little about NFL rules after being on the job for so long.
DOLPHINS NOTEBOOK Miami, Detroit talkBY JASON COLE jcole@MiamiHerald.com The Dolphins and the Detroit Lions have been in discussions during the weekend that could result in quarterback Joey Harrington being traded to the team in time to begin organized training activities in Miami by May 15, according to two sources. The Dolphins had pulled an offer of a 2007 sixth-round pick for Harrington off the table earlier this week after Lions president Matt Millen wrongly complained that the Dolphins had violated the collective bargaining agreement in reaching a restructured contract with Harrington. The Dolphins were prepared to wait until Harrington gets cut by Detroit in June to sign him. However, Nick Saban appears to have relented <u>and wants his new "Girlie man" QB in South Beach ASAP</u>. LMAO!
I am just going to make a note here... its not like Joeys recivers helped him out... its not like your next barry sanders showed up.. its not like your defense did its part.. or special teams.. but the league always turns to the QB so joey may have his problems.. but atleast in miami he will have a supporting cast who aren't affraid to take the hit.. who will actually go up and get the ball
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'>I am just going to make a note here... its not like Joeys recivers helped him out... its not like your next barry sanders showed up.. its not like your defense did its part.. or special teams.. but the league always turns to the QB so joey may have his problems.. but atleast in miami he will have a supporting cast who aren't affraid to take the hit.. who will actually go up and get the ball</div> I'm not buying all those excusses for the "Princess". The last eight games of 2004 in Kevin Jones' rookie year, he led the NFL in rushing and "Doey" still sucked. As for the recievers, they did seem to give up on some routes and I don't aprove of that, but with the "Girlie man" under center there wasn't much hope he get you the ball, hence the WR under-performance. I say Bolden and Fitzgerald would have had poor numbers the last few years if they'd been in Detroit with the "Princess" as their QB. I will be proved correct by the 2006 Detroit Offence with an actual NFL caliber QB playing the position.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bears#1Fan)</div><div class='quotemain'>I am just going to make a note here... its not like Joeys recivers helped him out... its not like your next barry sanders showed up.. its not like your defense did its part.. or special teams.. but the league always turns to the QB so joey may have his problems.. but atleast in miami he will have a supporting cast who aren't affraid to take the hit.. who will actually go up and get the ball</div> I'm not buying all those excusses for the "Princess". The last eight games of 2004 in Kevin Jones' rookie year, he led the NFL in rushing and "Doey" still sucked. As for the recievers, they did seem to give up on some routes and I don't aprove of that, but with the "Girlie man" under center there wasn't much hope he get you the ball, hence the WR under-performance. I say Bolden and Fitzgerald would have had poor numbers the last few years if they'd been in Detroit with the "Princess" as their QB. I will be proved correct by the 2006 Detroit Offence with an actual NFL caliber QB playing the position.</div> So many times i saw joey throw to the reciver and the reciver didn't even attempt to try and get it... If i remember right Joey blew up at the supposed good roy williams for not trying to get it... I agree Joey being gone is probably best for both sides.. But not all of it is joeys fault.. some yes but some blame must be placed elsewhere
Detroit's receivers gave up because they didn't respect Joey and didn't respect the team. That's a reflection on the receivers, the coaches, and the QB as well. Harrington may turn things around, but he obviously has has his share of problems in Detroit that can be traced right back to him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Detroit's receivers gave up because they didn't respect Joey and didn't respect the team. That's a reflection on the receivers, the coaches, and the QB as well. Harrington may turn things around, but he obviously has has his share of problems in Detroit that can be traced right back to him.</div> Well said ... Many of us obviously disagree on the odds of the "Princess" turning things around. I think they're slim to none. That is still a slight chance and time well tell.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>I will be proved correct by the 2006 Detroit Offence with an actual NFL caliber QB playing the position.</div> Would that McCown? No. Kitna? No! It surely can't be Shaun King. ROFL. Who? The suspense is killing me. Even if Millen were to trade for Peyton then I don't see ZM being correct. LOL.
There's no doubt Kitna and McCown <u>are</u> NFL caliber QB's. Although Shawn King likely won't make the team, I've seen him play many times and I've seen Princess play every time. Shawn King is clearly the better NFL QB. Look for Nick Saban to pick up Shawn King when the Lions cut him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>There's no doubt Kitna and McCown <u>are</u> NFL caliber QB's. Although Shawn King likely won't make the team, I've seen him play many times and I've seen Princess play every time. Shawn King is clearly the better NFL QB. Look for Nick Saban to pick up Shawn King when the Lions cut him.</div> No doubt!! I'll give you Kitna and his one solid year but McCowan with Boldin and Fitzgerald still put up bad numbers. Sure he threw for some yards. HE also threw to the wrong team a lot and a lot of balls hit the ground. I do like Shaun King but he won't be on the Lions roster next year in all likely hood. You know what. In a year or two my money is on Dano starting for them. I liked him at UCONN and I think he could develop into a nice QB with the proper coaching. If there's another Warner or Bulger, it's Dano.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zackman)</div><div class='quotemain'>There's no doubt Kitna and McCown <u>are</u> NFL caliber QB's. Although Shawn King likely won't make the team, I've seen him play many times and I've seen Princess play every time. Shawn King is clearly the better NFL QB. Look for Nick Saban to pick up Shawn King when the Lions cut him.</div> No doubt!! I'll give you Kitna and his one solid year but McCowan with Boldin and Fitzgerald still put up bad numbers. Sure he threw for some yards. HE also threw to the wrong team a lot and a lot of balls hit the ground. I do like Shaun King but he won't be on the Lions roster next year in all likely hood. You know what. In a year or two my money is on Dano starting for them. I liked him at UCONN and I think he could develop into a nice QB with the proper coaching. If there's another Warner or Bulger, it's Dano.</div> Everything i have heard has kitna starting, meaning mccown's career is over, and detroit will draft a new starter in the time to come
I say McCOwn Sticks for a year or two even if he's not the starter, John will start this year and will preform admirably although I Hope the rest of the Lions do not
