I was just thinking about something: Has any team ever not signed their 1st round selection? Like they drafted them, weren't satisfied with them in summer league or whatnot, and just didn't sign him?
Nope. against the rules. 1st round pick= 3-year contractThere are exceptions though Ex. Fran Vasquez 2005 #10 pick by the Orlando Magic. Decided to stay in Spain. He isn't signed, but the Magic still do have the rights to him.Once signed, of course they can be released. But all 1st-round pick contracts are for three years.
Oh OK, I figured there was some sort of rule, but I wasn't sure. And about Vasquez, he's sort of an exception because he's an international player who didn't want to come over yet. I think there should be a rule in the NBA about that, so international players who are drafted have to come to the NBA right away or there eligibility gets shot.
Well teams do let them go sometimes so they can develop their games more and then make room on the line-up for them the next season.
i agree.But as far as i'm concerned, the magic should trade his rights to another team so they can get immediate help. Besides, they already have Dwight, Tony Battie, James Augustine, and Darko. So we'll see what happens.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ArizonaFan @ Jul 14 2006, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well teams do let them go sometimes so they can develop their games more and then make room on the line-up for them the next season.</div>Develope their games? How? With a bunch of European softies that only shoot? If they really want to develope their games, have them either play some minutes off the bench or send them to the D-League.
DUH All the time.Dajuan Wagner (1st round 2002) : Contract not extended by the CavsJay Williams (1st round 2002) : Motorcycle accident in 2nd yearSteven Hunter (2001) : Cut at the start of his contract yearJeryl Sasser (2001) : Cut in his 2nd year.Chris Jefferies (2002): Cut before his 2nd yearThere are a hell of alot more, but you get the idea. You gotta remember, the average career in the NBA is a little over 4 yearsnot everyone that gets picked the first round should've been there, so teams have to do what they have to do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Jul 14 2006, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As has been mentioned, it is a rule. A stupid one in my opinion</div>I did not know it was a rule. But now that I do I agree it's a stupid rule. You should not have to sign the guy if you don't want him.
Then why bother drafting him with your first round pick? I think it's a good rule for the players, it's a privilege to be drafted, and for them to not receive any guarantee afterwards would be stupid. What's the point of even being drafted then?
First of all, there are so many rules and situations regarding this topic that it takes a long time to sort through everything, but I'll try my best to explain everything I know.The salary for first round picks is set out by the CBA in order to prevent rookies from holding out until their team gives them the contract they want (this happens a lot in the NFL), and that was a huge problem before 1995 (when the pay scale was first implemented). For example, when Glenn Robinson was picked first overall, he was going to hold out until the team gave him a $100 million contract, but he eventually signed a 10 year, $68.15 million as a rookie. The payment scale was introduced in 1995, and gave rookies a maximum contract length of three years, with a team option for a fourth.Here is the salary scale for first round picks (from the previous CBA):The first column shows their draft position, the next three show their salary for the first, second and third years (respectively), and the last two columns show how much of an increase in salary they would receive if their team picks up the option for the fourth year (fourth column), and the base pay their qualifying option must be (fifth column).Now, to give you an idea of how much the rookies get paid under the new CBA, here is the information for the first pick in the draft over the course of the next few seasons:Now, a team may sign a player to as low as 80% of the payment scale to as much as 120% of the pay scale (most rookies are signed to the 120%). So, for example, a first round pick last year (Andrew Bogut) under the new CBA could end up with their starting pay being anywhere between $2,893,680 (80% of the pay scale) to $4,340,520 (120%).Alright, so if the team and the player do not reach a contract agreement, here is what happens:<ul>[*]If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team's team salary while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.[*]If the player was still eligible to play in college before he was drafted, the team retains the player's draft rights until the draft the player would have entered had he not left college early. For example, if a team drafts a college sophomore in 2005, they retain his draft rights until the date of the 2007 draft. Note that the current NCAA rules state that players lose their NCAA eligibility if they are drafted, so the player could not return or go on to play college ball.[*]For all other players, the team retains the player's draft rights until the date of the next draft.[/list]In any of the above cases, if the team does not sign the player in the allotted time, the player can enter the next draft. If the team that selects the player in the next draft doesn't sign him either, he becomes a rookie free agent.When a team signs a first round draft pick in a year other than the year in which he was drafted, the player is signed using the salary scale for the year in which he is signed, not the year in which he was drafted. An exception to this is for players drafted prior to 2005, under the previous CBA. These players may be signed according to the rules for scale contracts set forth in the previous CBA, including three guaranteed years plus one option year, at the scale salary for the year in which the player was drafted.Unsigned first round picks are included in team salary immediately upon their selection in the draft. They count as 100% of the scale salary for that pick, unless there is a verbal agreement for a higher salary. An incident occurred prior to the 1997-98 season when Vancouver's first round pick, Antonio Daniels, revealed in an interview that he and the team had verbally agreed to a contract starting at the maximum salary (120% of the scale amount). Since verbal agreements apply to the salary cap, the league then changed the team's cap figure from the scale amount to 120% of scale.Now, if a team likes their first round pick, but doesn't want to sign them for the full rookie contract or doesn't feel they are worth what the rookie scale is going to pay them, the team is in a bad situation because they can't do that. In essence, this makes late first round picks less valuable, because it forces teams to make a two-year commitment to a marginal player. It was worse under the previous CBA, when the minimum commitment was three years. In 1996, rather than give their first round pick Travis Knight (29th overall) a three-year deal, the Bulls renounced him, making him a free agent.By renouncing a player, a team gives up its right until the following June 30 to use the Larry Bird, Early Bird, or Non-Bird exceptions to re-sign that player. A renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign that player, but they must either have enough cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player using the Minimum Salary exception. The exception to this is in the case of an Early Bird free agent who is coming off the second season of his rookie scale contract. Such players, when renounced, are treated as Non-Bird free agents. After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement.Anyway, that's pretty much it. Let me know if you have any more questions. :happy0144:
Damn did you type all of that out? Props to that, I read some of it, I didn't know about teams before having to pay a rookie what they wanted. I'm glad they restructured the CBA and fixed that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I typed like half of it, the other half I got from my secret source.</div>I.e. copy and paste.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yozo @ Jul 16 2006, 04:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I.e. copy and paste.</div>Um, no... I paraphrased whatever I didn't type out myself. If all you have is negative remarks, and do not want to comment on the topic at hand, then there is no need for you to post in the thread at all.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Um, no... I paraphrased whatever I didn't type out myself. If all you have is negative remarks, and do not want to comment on the topic at hand, then there is no need for you to post in the thread at all.</div>Dude, I was joking. I may have different beliefs than you, but other than that, I respect your views, OK? No need to get nasty.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Yozo @ Jul 16 2006, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, I was joking. I may have different beliefs than you, but other than that, I respect your views, OK? No need to get nasty.</div>I wasn't trying to be nasty... I'm just saying that it's pointless to post that if there is no comment about the actual topic at hand. My fault if what I posted seemed "nasty" to you.
(BigMo763) WOW that's a lot of stuff great post. So before players could have held out, and waited to get a contract they wanted. That's crazy I did not know that. Thank's
