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  1. GhostOfPGA

    GhostOfPGA The late great Paul Allen

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    Thoughts?

    I come from a logging family, this is not a good bill.
     
  2. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    23 cents more a gallon of gas to cap emmisions. I can see how it would be bad for logging families. They would have to pay for going over the cap. Then those costs will get sent down the line to the customers. It's tough.
     
  3. GhostOfPGA

    GhostOfPGA The late great Paul Allen

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    It’s gonna put a lot of mills/families/workers out of business, up the Canyon and near the coast.
     
  4. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Yeah. Smaller family businesses. Larger companies can survive it. I think a better way to handle this rather than strong hold businesses like your families is to provide more incentives for using less emissions. Then companies will work towards cutting down rather than being forced out of business.
     
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    GhostOfPGA The late great Paul Allen

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    Another big problem is big businesses will use this bill to pollute all they want and use our forests as “carbon offsets”. That’s why so many big businesses are in favor of it.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Exactly, because to them it's a small bill to pay. It is riduculous. They won't have my vote.
     
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    GhostOfPGA The late great Paul Allen

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    Sadly it’s not going to a vote, Kate Brown and her super majority are trying to force this down all our throats.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Got these protestors downtown too. They don't understand that its not as easy lets just don't pollute. Let's just cut down emissions. It's so entangled in politics it sucks.
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Republicans are hiding though which in this case I agree with
     
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    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Hey Ghost how would emissions in smaller businesses compare to those in larger businessess? Smaller businesses still wouldn't be able to pay the bill on that because even though your guys emissions are far less than larger companies it is still more than you can afford right? That is messed up.

    That should be taken in account in such bills. They are trying to make you guys pay the same as the large companies. That isn't right.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    Cap and Tax large families.
     
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    GhostOfPGA The late great Paul Allen

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    This is just another way that the elite political class couldn’t care less about the average person or small business.
     
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    I can see your problem, but what family benefits from this stupid bill?
    Who is getting this tax revenue?

    I can only gasp at the crap the mindless majority support. It continues.
    When will they wake up!
     
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    MarAzul LongShip

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    Horse shit!
    Nobody benefits from this crap. It is utterly mindless!
     
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    How did this mindless majority become the majority in my beautiful State?
    Total failure of the education system. But what is worse, that is the plan!
     
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    santeesioux Just keep on scrolling by

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    I come from a logging family as well, it's not a good bill for down here either.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Could one of you outline what you see as the negative aspects of this bill and the impact it will have?

    It appears to me at first glance (and I've only spent a couple minutes reading about it so far, so I'm not claiming knowledge) that it has two major components:
    1) a gas tax increase (with rebates for ag, timber, and poor people)
    2) carbon tax on large industries (about 100 companies).

    I get that nobody wants to pay more for gas, and obviously people who live in rural areas tend to drive longer distances. I get that a business on the edge of failing can be pushed over the edge by an additional tax (or any other new negative event).

    Is there more to it than that?

    barfo
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Well, here's your chance Marzy. Educate me. What's in the bill?

    barfo
     

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