We'll do a little tournament here. I'm going to pick, what i believe are the top 12 greatest teams ever in the NFL and put them in a playoff situation and we'll see who comes out on top. I'm going to put up the first round and we'll get votes on who should win each matchup. I'll need facts and reasons on your picks. Here we go. Round 1 1962 Packers at 1999 St. Louis Rams 1989 49ers at 1991 Redskins 1998 Broncos at 1977 Raiders 1991 Bills at 2003 Patriots Bye 1985 Bears 1972 Dolphins 1992 Cowboys 1979 Steelers My Picks for the first round 62' Packers lose to the 99' Rams 35-10 (Packers D could'nt keep up with this explosive offense) 91' Skins lose to the 89' 49ers 28-21 (A grudge match is very hard to win, with Montana and gang on the otherside) 98' Broncs lose to the 77' Raiders 17-10 (Madden's Raiders slow down Elway and T. Davis without a problem) 91' Bills lose to the 03' Pats 22-13 (Billicheck v. Levy, boy what a game. Game of the week.) I'll go by polls. I 'll take the first 7 people's picks and then go on to round two.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>We'll do a little tournament here. I'm going to pick, what i believe are the top 12 greatest teams ever in the NFL and put them in a playoff situation and we'll see who comes out on top. I'm going to put up the first round and we'll get votes on who should win each matchup. I'll need facts and reasons on your picks. Here we go. Round 1 1962 Packers at 1999 St. Louis Rams 1989 49ers at 1991 Redskins 1998 Broncos at 1977 Raiders 1990 Bills at 2003 Patriots Bye 1985 Bears 1972 Dolphins 1992 Cowboys 1979 Steelers My Picks for the first round 62' Packers lose to the 99' Rams 35-10 (Packers D could'nt keep up with this explosive offense) 91' Skins lose to the 89' 49ers 28-21 (A grudge match is very hard to win, with Montana and gang on the otherside) 98' Broncs lose to the 77' Raiders 17-10 (Madden's Raiders slow down Elway and T. Davis without a problem) 90' Bills lose to the 03' Pats 22-13 (Billicheck v. Levy, boy what a game. Game of the week.) I'll go by polls. I 'll take the first 7 people's picks and then go on to round two.</div> 99 Rams crush '62 pack. 72-0 Todays atheletes vs back then, not even close. 89 niners beat 91 skins 24 - 20 best matchup of 1st round 98 broncs crush 77 raiders, 66-0 Todays atheletes again 90 bills beat 03 pats 14-13 bills only lose in super bowl LOL no, wait . . . pats win cuz they dont lose in playoffs, . . oh my now i am confused. Hold on flipping a coin heads for bills, tails for pats. Heads it is I stand by Bills win.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>We'll do a little tournament here. I'm going to pick, what i believe are the top 12 greatest teams ever in the NFL and put them in a playoff situation and we'll see who comes out on top. I'm going to put up the first round and we'll get votes on who should win each matchup. I'll need facts and reasons on your picks. Here we go. Round 1 1962 Packers at 1999 St. Louis Rams 1989 49ers at 1991 Redskins 1998 Broncos at 1977 Raiders 1990 Bills at 2003 Patriots Bye 1985 Bears 1972 Dolphins 1992 Cowboys 1979 Steelers My Picks for the first round 62' Packers lose to the 99' Rams 35-10 (Packers D could'nt keep up with this explosive offense) 91' Skins lose to the 89' 49ers 28-21 (A grudge match is very hard to win, with Montana and gang on the otherside) 98' Broncs lose to the 77' Raiders 17-10 (Madden's Raiders slow down Elway and T. Davis without a problem) 90' Bills lose to the 03' Pats 22-13 (Billicheck v. Levy, boy what a game. Game of the week.) I'll go by polls. I 'll take the first 7 people's picks and then go on to round two.</div> 99 Rams crush '62 pack. 72-0 Todays atheletes vs back then, not even close. 89 niners beat 91 skins 24 - 20 best matchup of 1st round 98 broncs crush 77 raiders, 66-0 Todays atheletes again 90 bills beat 03 pats 14-13 bills only lose in super bowl LOL no, wait . . . pats win cuz they dont lose in playoffs, . . oh my now i am confused. Hold on flipping a coin heads for bills, tails for pats. Heads it is I stand by Bills win.</div> So we have 2 for the 99 Rams 2 for the 89 Niners 1 for the 77 Raiders (by the way i don't think it would be that big of a mismatch) 1 for the 98 Broncs 1 for the 91 Bills 1 for the 03 Pats
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>1 for the 77 Raiders (by the way i don't think it would be that big of a mismatch) </div> I think the average lineman in the league is 35 lbs heavier than back then, which mean the 300 lb, lightning quick lineman of today would be going against 270 lb, slower lineman of then. That alone is reason enough to think they would have no chance
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>We'll do a little tournament here. I'm going to pick, what i believe are the top 12 greatest teams ever in the NFL and put them in a playoff situation and we'll see who comes out on top. I'm going to put up the first round and we'll get votes on who should win each matchup. I'll need facts and reasons on your picks. Here we go. Round 1 1962 Packers at 1999 St. Louis Rams 1989 49ers at 1991 Redskins 1998 Broncos at 1977 Raiders 1990 Bills at 2003 Patriots Bye 1985 Bears 1972 Dolphins 1992 Cowboys 1979 Steelers My Picks for the first round 62' Packers lose to the 99' Rams 35-10 (Packers D could'nt keep up with this explosive offense) 91' Skins lose to the 89' 49ers 28-21 (A grudge match is very hard to win, with Montana and gang on the otherside) 98' Broncs lose to the 77' Raiders 17-10 (Madden's Raiders slow down Elway and T. Davis without a problem) 90' Bills lose to the 03' Pats 22-13 (Billicheck v. Levy, boy what a game. Game of the week.) I'll go by polls. I 'll take the first 7 people's picks and then go on to round two.</div> 99 Rams crush '62 pack. 72-0 Todays atheletes vs back then, not even close. 89 niners beat 91 skins 24 - 20 best matchup of 1st round 98 broncs crush 77 raiders, 66-0 Todays atheletes again 90 bills beat 03 pats 14-13 bills only lose in super bowl LOL no, wait . . . pats win cuz they dont lose in playoffs, . . oh my now i am confused. Hold on flipping a coin heads for bills, tails for pats. Heads it is I stand by Bills win.</div> 1999 St. Louis Rams 1989 49ers 1998 Broncos 2003 Patriots
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'> Round 1 1962 Packers at 1999 St. Louis Rams 1989 49ers at 1991 Redskins 1998 Broncos at 1977 Raiders 1991 Bills at 2003 Patriots </div> Im gonna approach this differently then BF1 did....although its true that todays athletes are better, if this game was played today, the athletes on the older teams would be better too....science and year round training would go a long way to even out the size and strength differentials....I will compare them based on what they did to the league that year, and the number of all pros and hall of famers they had.... 1962 Packers....13-1, lead the league in scoring and in scoring defense....9 Pro Bowlers, lots of Hall of Famers....the offense featured Jim Taylor and the vaunted Packers sweep, the defense a legendary MLB(Nitschke) and a top 5 all time shut down CB(Adderly).... vs. 1999 St Louis Rams....13-3, lead the NFL in scoring and finished 4th in pts allowed....6 Pro Bowlers, atleast 4 Hall of Famers(likely)....the offense was the most expolsive I have ever seen and the defense played well when ahead.... These Rams were deadly when they got the lead but I don't think the Packers would have surrendered it. The Packers take the opening kickoff and score, then Adderly picks Warner and the Packers score again....the Rams keep close, but the Packers grind out the win....Packers 17, Rams 14 1989 49ers....14-2, led the NFL in scoring and finished 3rd in scoring defense....6 Pro Bowlers, many Hall of Famer, some of which are already in....the offense was perhaps the most efficient in history, with Montana and Rice forming a dyanmic bond.... vs. 1991 Redskins....14-2, led the NFL in scoring and finished 2nd in scoring defense....7 Pro Bowlers, atleast 3 Hall of Famers....The offense was awesome. They ran for nearly 2000 yards and threw for almost 4000.... The 49ers were balanced and deadly when ever they had the ball....the Redskins offense could score with anyone, but I give the edge to the 49ers....It would be entertaining, but I like the 49ers 45, Redskins 38 1998 Broncos....14-2, 2nd in the NFL in scoring and 8th in scoring defense....8 Pro Bowlers and at least 3 Hall of Famers....The offense was balanced and deadly....they ran the ball better than any other team in this tournament....the defense was a good compliment to the offense, but wasnt a powerful stand alone unit.... vs. 1977 Raiders....11-3, led the NFL in scoring and finished 15th in scoring defense....did not win their division....7 Pro Bowlers and several Hall of Famers....awesome offense and bad defense....being ranked in the bottom half of the league in defense is a fatal flaw in this tourney.... Broncos destroy these Raiders because of the defensive shortcomings of the Raiders....Broncos 38, Raiders 10 1991 Bills....13-3, 2nd in the NFL in scoring and 19th in the NFL in points allowed....8 Pro Bowlers and many Hall of Famers....ridiculously explosive offense but a poor defense....this is the only team in the tourney that didnt win the title.... vs. 2003 Patriots....14-2, 12th in scoring and 1st in scoring defense....of all the teams in the 1st round, the Patriots are the only team that relies heavily on their defense....they couldnt run the ball but they are efficent in the air.... I like the Patriots in this game because of their ability to game plan the Bills right out of their offense....Patriots 16, Bills 14 In summation, my votes are for: '62 Packers '89 49ers '98 Broncos '03 Patriots
Beef you have to artificially enhance the past era atheletes or '72 dolphins would not have any chance whatsoever
Alright i'll go to the next round. 1962 Packers at 1992 Cowboys 1989 49ers at 1985 Bears 1998 Broncs at 1979 Steelers 2003 Pats at 1972 Dolphins
1962 Packers at 1992 Cowboys Upset special! Packers 21 Cowboys 20 Great teams that look vunerable are often the most dangerous in the playoffs. So it is with the Packers. Jim Taylor outgains Emmitt Smith 138-114. Michael Irvin catches a 60 TD strike from Troy Aikman in the second quarter, but the Pack defense keeps the game close until Starr leads the Green Bay on a eight-minute drive in the fourth, including three straight third-down completions to Max MaGee. Taylor scores behind a Jerry Kramer block, and a sack-and-fumble of Aikman seals the victory. 1989 49ers at 1985 Bears 49ers 21 Bears 10. Three big plays and an under-rated defense earn San Fran a trip to the next round. The Niners key on Sweetness, containing him enough so that McMahon has to make plays. The results: ) 1 TD, 2 INTs, 3 sacks, and a concussion. The 46 Defense keeps the Niners in check for most of the game, but Rice catches a 75 yard TD pass from Montana in the second and Craig scores on a 43-yard screen early in the third. The score is 14-10 with five minutes remaining when Lott returns a Steve Fuller interception 51 yards for the clinching score. 1998 Broncs at 1979 Steelers Steelers 31 Broncos 10. No contest from the beginning. The Steelers score on their first three possessions, but the Broncos can only answer with a field goal for a 12-3 half-time score. T. Davis is a non-factor (16rsh-67yds) and Elway is sacked 5 times. Harris leads the Steelers with 121 yards on 22 carries. Bradshaw is 21-34-287-3 with no picks. 2003 Pats at 1972 Dolphins Pats 17 Dolphins 14--OT. In a battle of two classic "team-oriented" defenses, the Patriots prevail. The Dolphins fail to establish a consistent passing attack until Morral repalces Griese and leads Miami on a game-tying touchdown with 37 seconds to play. Griese is pick three times, two of which lead to Brady touchdown passes. The Morris-Csonka tandem, hampered by a weak passing attack, is held to 97 yards as the Pats stack the line for most of the day. In OT, the Fish never see the ball. Big runs by Smith and Faulk set of a Ventieri 49 yard field goal for the win. Just to let y'all know this is'nt me. I don't know that much about NFL history. It's a guy off the Saints forums. I just though i'd share.
92 cowboys 56 pack 0 85 bears 21 niners nthing -85 bears did not give up any points in playoffs 98 broncs 35 steelers 7 03 pats 70 dolphins 0
92 Cowboys win 28-10 85 Bears win 14-13 79 Steelers win 28-13 03 Pats win 10-7 Tough to see the 89 49ers out - I'd put them in the top 4.
These types of discussion are interesting, but it's hard to compare teams from different eras. The offensive and defensive linemen from the '62 Packers, for example, were probably the size of modern linebackers and/or fullbacks. They would stand ZERO chance against the 92 Cowboys, based on size and strength alone. It's fun to play "what if," but it's almost never realistic. Any winning Superbowl team in the past 15 years would destroy the '62 Packers or the '72 Dolphins.
The way BF1 has approached this exercise makes it senseless....theres no point to go through it if you concede that any team today could beat any team then....I am glad to know that the 2004 Dolphins would destroy the '85 Bears, that will make arguments much easier on me....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bleedblk&gld)</div><div class='quotemain'>Alright i'll go to the next round. 1962 Packers at 1992 Cowboys 1989 49ers at 1985 Bears 1998 Broncs at 1979 Steelers 2003 Pats at 1972 Dolphins</div> 1992 Cowboys 1989 49ers 1998 Broncs 2003 Pats
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'>The way BF1 has approached this exercise makes it senseless....theres no point to go through it if you concede that any team today could beat any team then....I am glad to know that the 2004 Dolphins would destroy the '85 Bears, that will make arguments much easier on me....</div> It would be competitive but that team would probably win. Heck any of the good teams would destroy the '85 bears
its amazing how far things have come since 1985....The Bears drafted a DT that year named William Perry, who weighed just over 300 lbs....at the time, a 300 lb lineman was so unusual that Perry was given the moniker "The Refridgerator".....oh how times have changed....a 300lb DT today is a "tweener" who isnt big enough to anchor against the run.....Its stunning that 20 years ago the biggest two gapper is now smaller than an average 1 gapper....
I have a question about the choice of the RAIDER team used in this tourney... Why not use the 13-1 1976 Super Bowl winning team? Or is that what you intended? The '77 defense was only slightly better than the '76 team, but the offense in '77 was about 500 yards and 6 TD's less productive than the team from '76. Just wondering...
