I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior

Thanks NBA MAN for your support,
<div class="quote_poster">og15 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm happy that Christ has made a change in your life, and I hope you can continue to grow and not get satisfied with just going to heaven yourself, but want to take as many as you can with you.

I don't want to get into a theological debate, but I don't agree with not taking the bible literally, I feel you should, but get sound advice on the meaning of things where one is not sure about. When people start saying one thing is not to be taken literally, then one can start to pick and choose what to take literally. When that happens, people end up creating their own idea of what it means to be a Christian, and that's a big problem in the church today with many people who aren't following Christ and want to justify sin by denying the literality of the bible. Anyways, you seem to be at a high point right now, I just hope you can learn to get to that middle ground so when troubles might come, you don't go down to a low point, but learn to balance it out and know that after the pain comes joy.</div>Thanks og15, I totally want to have God work through me, and be an instrument of God, sharing the word of God with those who want to hear it. God wants everyone to have salvation through His Son.

I believe the bible is the literal word of God. No arguement there .

And I agree although my sins have been paid for by what Jesus Christ did on the cross, that I am to hate sin, and hate my sins, and repent my sins, and ask God to help me not sin, and rely not on my strength (or lack thereof), but on the strength of the Holy Spirit. God is awesome and has given me the Holy Spirit, and the gift of salvation.

Well I know that tribulations (troubles) are going to come, and I pray that they will come that I can rejoice in them, that I can suffer for Christ, and that they will bring me closer to God.<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Romans 5:1-5:</div><div class="quote_post"> 1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.

3And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;

4and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;

5and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

</div><div class="quote_poster">Quoting 2 Cor 12:10:</div><div class="quote_post">That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
</div> I'll need to pray that God gives me strength through the Holy Spirit and that I will have a mind looking at spiritual things and not merely worldly things.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rom 8:4-5:</div><div class="quote_post">4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

5Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.</div>

Og, have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and saviour? I'd be interested in reading any testimony you have. (Whether posted in here, another thread, or via pm)

Thanks,
Greg

 

Um, I'm happy for skip, but where has he been. I mean, im sure he is ok, but he hasnt been on since this? Is he like doing other stuff?

 

Wow, congratulations man. I know this will make a big impact in your life.

 

<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^^ Isn't hating a sin in itself?</div>For Christians, to hate people would be contrary to what we have been commanded to do. <div class="quote_poster">Romans 13:8:</div><div class="quote_post">Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.</div>

On hating sin:<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Hebrews 1:9:</div><div class="quote_post">9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Romans 12:9:</div><div class="quote_post">9Let love be without hypocrisy Abhor what is evil; cling to what is good.</div>Abhor means hate.

Christians are to hate sin (things like lying, stealing, killing, lusting after women, sex outside marriage, cursing God, saying God's name in vain, getting drunk, idolatry, disobedient to parents, not forgiving others, and so forth)

God hates sin, and Christians are to hate sin, even those sins that we have committed in the past, and future. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Master Shake Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Um, I'm happy for skip, but where has he been. I mean, im sure he is ok, but he hasnt been on since this? Is he like doing other stuff?</div>Well I've been working as a landscaper usually from 7:30 am - 4:30 pm Mon-Fri, Sundays are usually filled with communion from 9:30-10:30, and a ministry meeting from 12:00-1:30, and a gospel meeting from 7:00-8:30. On Wednesdays, Lord-willing, I usually attend the 7:30 bible study. This weekend I'm visiting my parents for Friday and Saturday, and then back Sunday morning, and I'll probably visit them depending on schedules and if they have guests up that they want me to be around. I'm trying also to come back to Toronto when I can, so I can meet up with some friends from there.

I'm trying to study the bible with my free time, and God works through the Christian that I'm living with, strengthening me in faith and helping me out with questions I have in the scriptures. God has helped with the Holy Spirit, and I'm weak and sin without His strength, and I'm thankful for it.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, congratulations man. I know this will make a big impact in your life.</div>
Thanks Umair.

 

Not to be a pessimist... but I have no idea how you could devote your life to something that you don't know exists. Believe me, i've tried. If you can, more power to you... but from my standpoint I just don't see how common sense can be altered so much as to change your way of thinking. If you could elaborate on this, please do.

 

Sins are what make us human.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Not to be a pessimist... but I have no idea how you could devote your life to something that you don't know exists. Believe me, i've tried. If you can, more power to you... but from my standpoint I just don't see how common sense can be altered so much as to change your way of thinking. If you could elaborate on this, please do.</div>

that's the thing though...through his beliefs he "knows" God exists, lol......I'll put it like this lets say you get married...now if you have total trust in your wife and love her, then you would tell yourself all the time I "know" she isn't cheating on me, eventhough you can't actually prove that she isn't.....it all comes down to faith my man.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Shard Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Not to be a pessimist... but I have no idea how you could devote your life to something that you don't know exists. Believe me, i've tried. If you can, more power to you... </div>Well I know God exists, and is creator of all things. My strength comes from God, and from my strength alone I'll fail, and sometimes even in this short time I've strayed from God, but as I rely on God, God will strengthen me. The thing is that my belief is strengthened by God, I've made prayers saying that I'm weak in faith, and that I need to have my faith strengthened. Kind of reminds me of: <div class="quote_poster"> Mark 9:24:</div><div class="quote_post"> 24Immediately the boy's father cried out and said, "I do believe; help my unbelief."</div>

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shard:</div><div class="quote_post">but from my standpoint I just don't see how common sense can be altered so much as to change your way of thinking. If you could elaborate on this, please do.</div>Well, if someone wants to know God, God can help them see, to change their hearts, reading the word of God helps, because:<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Romans 10:17:</div><div class="quote_post">So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.</div> From reading/hearing the word of God, is our faith strengthened. I read prophecies like Isaiah 53, written from around 740 to 700 BC.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Isaiah 53:</div><div class="quote_post"> 1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2 For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
3 He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs
And carried our sorrows;
Yet we esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But He was wounded for our transgressions,
He was bruised for our iniquities;
The chastisement for our peace was upon Him,
And by His stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
We have turned, every one, to his own way;
And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
So He opened not His mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment,
And who will declare His generation?
For He was cut off from the land of the living;
For the transgressions of My people He was stricken.
9 And they made His grave with the wicked
But with the rich at His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was any deceit in His mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him;
He has put Him to grief.
When You make His soul an offering for sin,
He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
11 He shall see the labor of His soul,and be satisfied.
By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many,
For He shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.</div>

The following prophecy summaries are quoted from: http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm

7- Born in Bethlehem: Micah 5:2.... Matthew 2:1.... Luke 2:4-7.
- Mic.5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from ancient times.
- Mt.2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem. (Lk.2:4-7)

11- Flight to Egypt: Hosea 11:1.... Matthew 2:14-15.
- Hos.11:1 When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son
- Mt.2:14 So he got up, took the child and his mother during the night and left for Egypt. (Mt 2:15)

12- He shall be called a Nazarene: Judges 13:5.... Matthew 2:23.
- Jud.13:5 for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God
- Mt.2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene

15- Betrayed by a friend, for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12, Psalm 41:9... Mark 14:10, Matthew 26:14-15.
- Ps.41:9 Even my close friend, whom I trusted, he who shared my bread, has lifted up his heel against me.
- Mk.14:10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the chief priests to betray Jesus to them. (Mt.26:14-16; Mk.14:43-45)
- Zec.11:12 I told them, "If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it." So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. (Zec.11:13)
- Mt.26:15 And asked, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?" So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. (Mt 27:3-10)

16- Money to be returned for a potter's field: Zechariah 11:13.... Matthew 27:6-7.
- Zec.11:13 And the Lord said to me, "Throw it to the potter"- the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord to the potter.
- Mt.27:6-7 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, "It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money." So they decided to use the money to buy the potter's field as a burial place for foreigners. (Mt.27:3-5,8-10)

19- Silent to accusations: Isaiah 53:7.... Matthew 26:62-63, Mark.15:4-5.
- Isa.53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (Ps.38:13-14)
- Mt 26:62-63 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God!" (Mt 27:12-14, Mk.15:4-5)

22- Soldiers divided his garments and gambled for his clothing: Psalm 22:18... Matt.27:35 (2 Prophecies)
- Ps 22:18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.
- Mt.27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots (Mk.15:24).

23- Crucified, "pierced through hands and feet": Zechariah 12:10, Psalm 22:16.... Matthew 27:35, John 20:27.
- Ps.22:16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. (Zec.12:10)
- Mt.27:35 And they crucified him.
- Jn. 20:25-26 Now Thomas (called Didymus)... he said to them, "Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe it." (Jn.19:37, 20:27)

31- Buried with the rich: Isaiah 53:9, Matthew 27:57-60.
- Isa.53:9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.
- Mt.27:57-60 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Sins are what make us human.</div>I mostly agree , that all humans except for Lord Jesus have fallen short of Holiness, and have sinned.<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Romans 3:23:</div><div class="quote_post">23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,</div>
May God Bless you all,
Greg

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Skiptomylue11:</div><div class="quote_post">I mostly agree , that all humans except for Lord Jesus have fallen short of Holiness, and have sinned.</div>
Did Jesus not fall short as well? Satan did tempt him upon a mountain top, upon which Jesus obeyed. Sure, he rebuked him afterwards, but first he listened and took in on observing everything and therefore sinned.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Did Jesus not fall short as well? Satan did tempt him upon a mountain top, upon which Jesus obeyed. Sure, he rebuked him afterwards, but first he listened and took in on observing everything and therefore sinned.</div>Jesus didn't succumb to the temptations, he rebuked him every time. If someone offers me 8 beers to drink, and I say no, I have not sinned.

Here are the verses that you were referring to:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Luke 4:1-13:</div><div class="quote_post"> 1Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, 2where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
3The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread."

4Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone.'"

5The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7So if you worship me, it will all be yours."

8Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"

9The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here. 10For it is written:
" 'He will command his angels concerning you
to guard you carefully;
11they will lift you up in their hands,
so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"

12Jesus answered, "It says: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"

13When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.</div>

Jesus is Holy and never sinned:<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 1 John 3:5:</div><div class="quote_post">1 John 3:5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
</div>
Thanks for the question , God is great and is my strength,
Greg

 

It seems that you're really happy, and I don't think anyone can ask for anything more than to be really, truly happy. And it seems like you are really devoted and learned when it comes to the bible, or atleast you've made great strides in the attempt to understand it.

However, like you said, you take the bible very literal.

<div class="quote_poster">Skiptomylue11 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">T
I believe the bible is the literal word of God. No arguement there .
</div>

So, I'd appreciate it if you'd watch this video, it's only 10 minutes. And, as much as you may want to just exit the window, I hope you'll watch it until the end, because I'm really interested as a real Christian, what you think of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y

However it's very crude in it's method, I think it's quite effective in delivering it's message and very clear. As an apparent devout Christian what's your take on it? Are they making things up? If they're not making it up, should you, as you say, take these things literal?

 

<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
So, I'd appreciate it if you'd watch this video, it's only 10 minutes. And, as much as you may want to just exit the window, I hope you'll watch it until the end, because I'm really interested as a real Christian, what you think of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y

However it's very crude in it's method, I think it's quite effective in delivering it's message and very clear. As an apparent devout Christian what's your take on it? Are they making things up? If they're not making it up, should you, as you say, take these things literal?</div>

mmmn well that video was interesting it's incredibly hard for me to get all my thoughts out but I will say I have no idea what context some of the quotes from the bible were in (which people often do with the Qur'an which I will get onto later) and you must remember that when the Bible was created it was different back then.

I think the problem with Bible bashing and cussing out religion in general is firstly that the positives that the religion or it's texts bring are ignored and secondly that the fundamental beliefs it enforces are what make up society and the morals and values most people have so if anything you owe religion something.

 

<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">It seems that you're really happy, and I don't think anyone can ask for anything more than to be really, truly happy. And it seems like you are really devoted and learned when it comes to the bible, or atleast you've made great strides in the attempt to understand it.

However, like you said, you take the bible very literal.



So, I'd appreciate it if you'd watch this video, it's only 10 minutes. And, as much as you may want to just exit the window, I hope you'll watch it until the end, because I'm really interested as a real Christian, what you think of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y

However it's very crude in it's method, I think it's quite effective in delivering it's message and very clear. As an apparent devout Christian what's your take on it? Are they making things up? If they're not making it up, should you, as you say, take these things literal?</div>Hey rafy, its good to here from ya, . And yes, I am still happy, God has given me the greatest gift, that I didn't deserve, and God is so loving!

However, I'm not sure if I'm going to watch the video, I heard the first 5 seconds saying something along the lines: "This video will show you how the bible is repulsive." I don't think God would want me to willingly watch something that is hateful towards his Holy Word, however I'll pray about it, and ask a fellow believer in Lord Jesus what they think God would want me to do.

I do know that if you have questions, whether from the video or not, I would be quite happy to try to answer them to my God-given ability, and if I can't answer them I could ask a Christian whom God has bestowed more knowledge.

May the Lord bless you and everyone,
Greg

 

That video said that no one should work in Sabbath the fourth commandment, and whoever does should be put to death. Can you imagine like 10 millions people just dead becuase they worked on sabbath? ridiculous.


Almost everything that you do is penalty by death...crazy.

 

Even some Christian Fundamentalists wouldn't take a few of those quotes literally. When Jesus refers to a mustard seed or bread and wine, those are parables. People have to use a bit of common sense.

The Bible is also not perfect for various reasons, that is part of the reason why I don't take it literally.

Didn't Jesus explain that the commandments weren't understood properly?

Anyway, here is an example of women not being allowed to speak:
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
i know what verse you quote about 'women not allowed to speak in church' and paul said it. here's why:

the land paul was in, Ephesus, the women were not educated. do you want uneducated preachers preaching to you? they were therefore told not to speak</div>

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
Besides that the women in church kept yelling out to their husbands to answer their question. The men were on one side and the women on the other. So basically the women weren't allowed to speak so that they wouldn't interrupt and would ask their husbands at home.</div>

I like these responses as well:<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">

There is a logical fallacy when someone uses something to discredit itself. In other words, someone using the Bible to prove the Bible is wrong.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
No, Jesus himself said this, so it's from the Gospels (first 4 books of the OT). Also, no the Bible does not condone the practice of stoning those who commit sins against God. Read John 8:1-11 when the people caught a woman in adultry and wanted to stone her, Jesus said--He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. Jesus told those people they had no right to do it because they were just as sinful as her.</div>

Finally another example of a parable:
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."</div>

Overall the Bible has been modified by humans and translated improperly, but the video also takes quotes out of context (such as slavery and I felt the Jesus quote was a parable).

 

<div class="quote_poster">huevonkiller Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
The Bible is also not perfect for various reasons, that is part of the reason why I don't take it literally.

Didn't Jesus explain that the commandments weren't understood properly?
</div>

I never understood how you can simply pick and choose what you want to believe. The bible presents itself as fact, just as it stated that the earth was flat. It presents itself as fact, and a few hundred years ago any form of inquiry into the "facts' of the bible would result in death, just as Bruno was executed.

Evolution, on the other hand, is a theory. It presents itself as a model that is meant to be broken. The theory in itself has many loopholes, however the very difference is that evolution is just a theory, and the bible is fact. So, if you pick and choose which facts you like to believe, or are pleasant to your ears, how could you possibly ever use the bible to substantiate your beliefs. Either you take it, or you leave it. What really gives a person the right to dictate how the bible should be interpreted, should it be self-evident as to how it should be taken in? I mean, it is the word of god. If god tells you directly that you should kill all those who work on the Sabbath, aren't you obligated to be a good Christian to carry out gods will?

I also find it very hard to you could interpret it, or such direct quotes could possibly be mistranslated.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">i know what verse you quote about 'women not allowed to speak in church' and paul said it. here's why:

the land paul was in, Ephesus, the women were not educated. do you want uneducated preachers preaching to you? they were therefore told not to speak</div>

That's a clear case of a self fulfilling prophecy. It was believed that men are superior to women. The purpose of women was to attend to the man needs, raise children, and take of the home. It was the men who were supposed to fight wars, it was the men who were supposed to be the scholars and the teachers. Therefore, I think this explanation is absurd.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Besides that the women in church kept yelling out to their husbands to answer their question. The men were on one side and the women on the other. So basically the women weren't allowed to speak so that they wouldn't interrupt and would ask their husbands at home.</div>

I have no idea what this even supposed to mean, but from what I gather, it's ridiculously misogynistic.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
There is a logical fallacy when someone uses something to discredit itself. In other words, someone using the Bible to prove the Bible is wrong.</div>

That's a double edged sword. What do so many Christians use to discredit the theory of evolution. You guessed it kids, the theory of evolution. They point out the wholes, and the parts of the theory in which cannot be filled.

Also, the entire concept of a logical fallacy in using something to discredit itself is very odd imo. How are you supposed to prove any theory false without using the very hole in the theory you are trying to disprove? This concept is totally baseless imo.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No, Jesus himself said this, so it's from the Gospels (first 4 books of the OT). Also, no the Bible does not condone the practice of stoning those who commit sins against God. Read John 8:1-11 when the people caught a woman in adultry and wanted to stone her, Jesus said--He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. Jesus told those people they had no right to do it because they were just as sinful as her.</div>

So, then you have two different parts of the bible contradicting themselves? I'm shocked.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Overall the Bible has been modified by humans and translated improperly, but the video also takes quotes out of context (such as slavery and I felt the Jesus quote was a parable).</div>

Sure, great, Jesus had hidden meanings behind his words. But many of these quotes are very direct, and totally obvious as to it's intentions and meaning. And I don't see the point of hiding behind the pretense of "taken out of context", and parables, when the words are plain as day.

I'd like it if you could give me one quote from the video that has been taken out of context. Aside from the Jesus quote, which as you say; and I agree, is a parable.

As far as being mistranslated, how? All these quotes are very clear. If all of those quotes have been mistranslated, how come Christians only complain about how the quotes which are negative to their agenda.

 

<div class="quote_poster">rafy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">So, if you pick and choose which facts you like to believe, or are pleasant to your ears, how could you possibly ever use the bible to substantiate your beliefs. Either you take it, or you leave it. What really gives a person the right to dictate how the bible should be interpreted, should it be self-evident as to how it should be taken in? I mean, it is the word of god. If god tells you directly that you should kill all those who work on the Sabbath, aren't you obligated to be a good Christian to carry out gods will?</div>Hey rafy, I agree that if someone believes the Bible is the word of God, the entire thing is from God. Sidenote, I won't watch the video.

But I can answer your question, about whether a Chrsitian should kill people who work on the Sabbath.
1st point: Reason for Sabbath
Regarding killing people that break the Sabbath, first off, the Sabbath was given to the people of Israel to give them rest and opportunity to worship God. It was a good thing, made for man not the other way around. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mark 2:27-28:</div><div class="quote_post">27Jesus said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

28"So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath." </div>
Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath:
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Luke 6:5:</div><div class="quote_post">And He was saying to them, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."</div>

2nd point: Jesus is our rest (Sabbath):
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Matt 11:28-30:</div><div class="quote_post"> 28"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

29"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.

30"For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." </div>

3rd point: If someone does something wrong
First, as an example, Jesus said "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting John 8:1-12:</div><div class="quote_post">1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2Early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them.

3The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the center of the court,

4they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act.

5"Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?"

6They were saying this, testing Him, so that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground.

7But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

8Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court.

10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?"

11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either Go From now on sin no more."] </div>

Another note, is that Christians aren't to take the law into their own hands. They know that God will reward good and punish evil.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Romans 12:17-19:</div><div class="quote_post">17Never pay back evil for evil to anyone Respect what is right in the sight of all men.

18If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men.

19Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord. </div> Although for certain things, if the person committing the wrong-doing is a Christian, they should be dis fellowshipped in hope that they would repent their sin, and return to God. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 1 Cor 6:11-13:</div><div class="quote_post">11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one.

12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. </div>
I googled this article for the location of some of the Sabbath-related bible quotes I forgot:
http://www.thegracetabernacle.org/studies/gtsn_sabbath.html

May God bless you,
Greg Wilson

 

The creator of the video is ignorant. He completely took quotes from the Old Testament and ignored the New Testament. The Old Testament is a record of history and the laws were from back then. If the creator actually read the New Testament he would not be able to make any of those points. Making assumptions and bashing the Bible from reading only the Old Testament is like convicting a man guilty based on what the media says. Its not the full story. Also they basically take every single word literally, when the New Testament negates the laws such as killing/stoning people for sin. Those punishments for sin were all washed away and forgiven when Jesus died for us and ressurected again meaning we wouldn't have to suffer those consequences.

I agree with some of the posters here like Huevonkiller when they say the Bible shouldn't be taken literally. We shouldn't take it word for word, rather understand the message and point behind the words. Like taking words from the Old Testament literally is obviously obsolete, for those laws were given at that time.