anyone else think that the media blew the Randy Moss celebration out of proportion? he didnt hurt anyone..he didnt make an obscene gesture..i dont know.. what do you guys think?
I think it was blown out of proportion for sure. The media makes a big deal about any player in the NFL who has some kinda reputation for things like that, they love to go on and on about players who arent like "God" to them. For example if roles were reversed and the game was in Minnesota and Brett Favre had of done what Randy Moss did, I'm pretty sure it wouldnt even be a big deal. The media chooses its bad boys and everytime they do anything a little controversal its like a World war breaking out! The media is stupid, and the NFL is kinda screwed too!
Joe Buck reacted like Moss had shot someone. Intersting reaction coming from someone @ Fox. Their whole programming (other than '24') is about controversy and pandering to the lowest common denominator. The Swan & Who's your daddy are prime examples. Plummer's gesture was down played and was much worse. I agree w/ Bry on this about the heroes & villians that the media establishes, manufactures, etc...
But even if this particular action wasn't that bad....a classless clown like randy moss deserves everything he gets because he has brought it all on himself not the media deciding he's "bad" because in this case the guy really is...sorry just think he is useless to the game of football on any level besides raw talant.
It was stupid of Moss, there is no doubt about that. Especially after he just got through a week of people questioning his maturity, leadership abilities, and character. He obviously made another bad choice. However, it was obvious that Buck was excited to have something in the game that would cause more controversy. I personally thought it was funny, but innappropriate. I probably would have been pissed if the tables were turned. I do agree with the media picking its angels and demons though. Brett Farve will never be a bad boy in their eyes, even if he were to flick off another player in plain view of all the fans...oh wait, that happened last year but no one cared....
this is what i dont get. on Around the Horn, Plaschke pointed out how Buck does those commercials with Leon, the self obsessed dude, n its a beer commercial, i see nothing different with the moss situation. i dont know who saw it, but on Comedy Centrals last laugh 04 thingy, D.L. Hughely brought up Janet Jackson at ythe Super Bowl n how people complained that the Super Bowl is family time, yet all they show are beer and Viagra commercials. exactly the same with moss. i dont see the big deal at all!
Interesting bit of an article in the Startribune.com. Tony Dungy found the fake moon to be funny and explained a long-time Green Bay tradition. It actually makes things seem not so inappropriate. On Sunday, Moss caught a touchdown pass in the fourth quarter and headed toward the goalpost. He then turned his back to the Lambeau Field crowd, bent over and pantomimed pulling down his pants. "Just having a little fun with the boys,'' Moss told a Fox reporter as he left the field. "I hope I don't get in trouble by it, but if I do I'll take the heat.'' Moss, making $5 million this season, declined comment Monday. Vikings coach Mike Tice said he spoke Monday with NFL vice president Art Shell. "The league has called me,'' Tice said. "I didn't see it until last night.'' Tice added he always thought of Green Bay fans as having "a tremendous amount of class'' but that he didn't think they acted that way Sunday. Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy said he saw Moss' action and, "I thought it was kind of humorous.'' "It's not the kind of thing you want to see on national TV, but I understand what it was all about,'' he said. "Anyone who has played in the NFC Central knows what that's about. The fans in Green Bay have a tradition in the parking lot after the game where they moon the visiting team's bus,'' he said. "It's kind of a unique send-off.'' "I had seen it seven times because when I was with the Vikings, we lost to them seven times up there,'' he said.
its really annoying when the media blows stuff up. i mean after knowed what Green Bay fans do it makes much more sense. the funny thing is i didnt know that Favre flicked off someone. But how come i know that Moss did this or Horn pulled a cell phone out. On around the horn Woody Paige said something interesting going back to that show. once baseball stopped showing fans running onto the field ppl stopped doing it. if the NFL hates this so much (which is really annoying to me) y do they keep showing it on national TV???
Who cares? Yeah, at the time I thought Moss was being a Dick, but if he did it and the Packers won the game, no one would even bring it up. Packers fans are just bitter. I can relate. I resemble that remark.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'>Who cares? Yeah, at the time I thought Moss was being a Dick, but if he did it and the Packers won the game, no one would even bring it up.</div> Oh, there is not a doubt in my mind that he was being a dick, but it also sounds like he was returning a "favor". I gotta say Pack Attack, you have taken the loss very well. It makes it really hard to rub things in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>For example if roles were reversed and the game was in Minnesota and Brett Favre had of done what Randy Moss did, I'm pretty sure it wouldnt even be a big deal.</div> The reason you couldnt imagine that being a big deal is because Favre would never do it....the majority of NFL players dont and wouldnt pull stupid stuff like that....Im beginning to think that if you want to win titles, you need to avoid having "elite" WR's on your team....more than any other position, the so called "elite" WRs are more trouble than they are worth. They seem to have a sence of entitlement like no other position players. they seem to have bad attitudes more than any other position players. I don't know why that is, but i suspect its because its the position that relies so heavily on athletic ability....translation: gangbangers with speed....Its also one of the only positions on the field where you can play 60 plays, contribute on 8 of them and its assumed you played a good game....I think your better off with 2 or 3 above average WRs than with the the best WR in the league....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'> For example if roles were reversed and the game was in Minnesota and Brett Favre had of done what Randy Moss did, I'm pretty sure it wouldnt even be a big deal.</div> The reason you couldnt imagine that being a big deal is because Favre would never do it....the majority of NFL players dont and wouldnt pull stupid stuff like that....Im beginning to think that if you want to win titles, you need to avoid having "elite" WR's on your team....more than any other position, the so called "elite" WRs are more trouble than they are worth. They seem to have a sence of entitlement like no other position players. they seem to have bad attitudes more than any other position players. I don't know why that is, but i suspect its because its the position that relies so heavily on athletic ability....translation: gangbangers with speed....Its also one of the only positions on the field where you can play 60 plays, contribute on 8 of them and its assumed you played a good game....I think your better off with 2 or 3 above average WRs than with the the best WR in the league....</div> That is ridiculous. The best recievers in the game contribute on more than 8 plays a game. The best recievers are the ones who when they know they arent getting the ball still run route hard to be decoy for teammates. The ones who block downfield for other WRs, and they made blocks for RB to spring him. In other words winning football. Moss is not one of those guys, but you qualifying him as on of the "best" in the league is ridiculous. You are better off having the three best recievers in the league, some people just have trouble IDing them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>That is ridiculous. The best recievers in the game contribute on more than 8 plays a game. The best recievers are the ones who when they know they arent getting the ball still run route hard to be decoy for teammates. The ones who block downfield for other WRs, and they made blocks for RB to spring him. In other words winning football. Moss is not one of those guys, but you qualifying him as on of the "best" in the league is ridiculous. You are better off having the three best recievers in the league, some people just have trouble IDing them.</div> You obviously don't watch him play then, do you. He does block downfield, he does act as a decoy more often than as a primary target, and he does work harder than most of the players on the field. You would never know it by the way the majority of the media acts about him, but he is one of the hardest workers on the field. Don't get me wrong...he is also spoiled. When the games seem to be out of reach, he does seem to give up and not run as hard or block as hard. The coaching staff usually blames that on his stiff back or bad foot, but I don't buy it. I don't think Randy Moss is a perfect player or person, but he does try hard and he does know how to play for the team. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The reason you couldnt imagine that being a big deal is because Favre would never do it....</div> Favre has done his share of stupid stuff as well. Don't you remember him flicking off Hovan as he left the field? What about during the last game when he basically tried to initiate a fight after a boneheaded unnecessary roughness call that wasn't all that rough although certainly unnecessary? When Favre does these things, the announcers praise his passion. They are still unnacceptable, but it is because he is passionate. When Moss leaves the field early because he is so frustrated he is labelled as a horrible teammate and a cancer to the team. Most football players do stupid stuff. None of it can really ever be defended, but unfortunately a lot of it is. I think most coaches in the NFL would look at Moss, look at the distractions that he can come with, and decide that the 70-80 receptions per year, the 13-17 TD's per year, and the unique way that he changes entire games is worth the occassional distraction.
I didn't need any extra reasons to dislike Randy Moss. I've thought he was a narcissistic piece of crap ever since he started pushing around people with his car. His quitting on his team, backstabbing his coach in the press and his boarish behavior in Green Bay has just cemented my opinion of him. I'm glad Tony Dungy understands why Moss did what he did, but that doesn't mean diddly poo to all the dads, who now have to explain mooning to their seven and eight year old little boys, because Randy Moss is an irresponsible child. People may think I'm a prude, but watching NFL Football as a kid gave me a bond with my step-father. I'd like to think when I have kids someday, I can watch football with my kids without great fear of what they might see during the course of a game. Of course, Moss is doing us all a favor by giving us something to talk about other than Donte Culpepper's great season or the great job Mike Tice did in getting the Vikings ready to beat the Packers in Green Bay. Given a choice, we would all rather NFL Total Access sound like an episode of Jerry Springer than an actual football show, right? By the way, guys like Favre and Plummer are seen in a better light because they don't have meltdowns every week and when they do, they usually apologize and show some remorse. I'd probably see Moss in a better light if he could man up and say that he's sorry and actually mean it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I gotta say Pack Attack, you have taken the loss very well. It makes it really hard to rub things in.</div> I guess if crying yourself to sleep for a week is "taking it well," then you're right. I'm an iron man. *laughs* I'm all about sportsmanship. The Vikings deserved to win and they did. I'm happy for their fans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pack Attack)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I gotta say Pack Attack, you have taken the loss very well. It makes it really hard to rub things in.</div> I guess if crying yourself to sleep for a week is "taking it well," then you're right. I'm an iron man. *laughs* I'm all about sportsmanship. The Vikings deserved to win and they did. I'm happy for their fans.</div> This loss is a omen of good fortune. The retirement of brett farve, and then the 100 year struggle of the organization to replace him
Short sighted views of Moss' antics aside, he is a troubled young man. I'm sure that the money he makes helps him make it through the night. IMO, Plummer's antics were much worse than those of Moss. Both players have a chip on their shoulder... Plummer's migrated upward, while Moss'....
Tell me if this a amazing to you or not. The very moment Jake Plummer was giving the fan the middle finger a camera was pointing right at him or during the Packers Moss was telling the fans to look at the fucking scoreboard the camera was pointing right at him. I bet if the incident wasn't recorded and show on TV Plummer would not of gotten fined for the middle finger. It's a whole ratings thing for the network when they show actions of a player when they do something not acceptible. I think that the FCC should of fined CBS for broadcasting it because I bet a lot of religous right people where pissed off by it. Me personally not offended by it. Maybe than the networks will keep there asses off the sidelines.
I agree w/ Chip about Plummer's gesture being worse. While Moss' was tasteless, it still "technically" wasnt a complete act. Interesting thoughts Ranman. I agree that it was more than coincedence that the cameras just happened to catch both incidents.
