I think Camara is a small forward

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    He handles the ball well. He has a nice outside shot. He’s 6’8 and 220. He strikes me as a small forward. Pippen was 6’8 210.

    Right now we don’t have much time at SF because Brogdon is still here which pushes Sharpe to SF. If we move Brogdon that will free up time at shooting guard for Sharpe and we can hopefully get some minutes for Camara at wing.
     
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    He's a PF. He can actually rebound.

    Grant is a SF.
     
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    Resounding wise Grant is between positions.

    PG or SG.
     
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    agreed...although they'd be pretty interchangeable

    I posted Camara's college stats before:

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    what is impressive to me is his consistent progression of improvement...

    as his FGA increased, year by year, he steadily improved in FG%, 2ptFG%, 3ptFG%, eFG%, and TS%. He also got better each year in offensive, defensive, and total rebounding. His winshare/48 and BPM's improved as well with a small blip in BPM. His assist rate increased each year and his turnover rate his senior season was the lowest of his career

    as for rebounding, as a senior, he averaged 8.6 rebounds/game in 30 minutes which works out to 10.3 rebounds/36. Even for college that's outstanding
     
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    If the Blazer.com roster is correct, then based on size alone he is as much of a 4 as anyone else on the roster....if you exclude
    Brogdon and Williams. So I see no reason why we need to pigeonhole him as either. He seems to be in that grey area of today's NBA where for the most part he he can play either one. (Which I like a lot)
     
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    Idk if he is a 3 or a 4 or both. However, I'm pretty sure he'll be a rotation player by the end of the year.

    I did a small amount of research on him, and learned why he was taken so late: not a knockdown shooter, not an elite athlete, small school. These reasons are why the Josh Harts of the world aren't lotto picks. But, like Josh, Camara is a baller.

    Sorry to the Kris Murray fans, but Camara has played much, much better than Kris, even though Kris was drafted much higher.
     
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    It doesn't matter his position as long as he is the next Tatum, there's no problem.
     
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    Yep. I wasn't a fan of the Murray draft selection.
    Still plenty of time for him (Murray) to prove me wrong, but I really like that Portland snagged Camara.
     
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    Did the Dame trade break you? Lol
     
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    He looks too small to be a power forward to me. 6’7 barefoot. 220 lbs. he does have a 7’0 wingspan.
     
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    Biggest knock I can find is his vert is only 33 inches. I haven’t done much comparing but that seems kinda shitty.
     
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    He has a better standing reach than PJ Washington, Zion, Draymond Green—same as Al Horford.

    That's just a cursory scrape of the PF landscape.
     
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    Kuzma 2.0.

    Intriguing mix of size and handle with shooting.

    Also fun fact, he's 3 months younger than Nas.
     
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    Washington is a little beefier. 230 lbs. not in love with a 6’7 power forward. Zion is a freak of nature. Only 6’6 but 284 lbs and a 45 inch vertical jump. Draymond is 6’6 230 but also kind of a freak in other ways. He’s a point forward and an insanely talented defender. Horford is 6’9 and 240.
     
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    6'7" with a 7'0" wing and a standing reach of 8'11". 33" vert on top of that gets his max reach up to 11'8". I think anyone who can reach above the top of the square is doing just fine.
     
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    Samuel James “Hollywood” Robinson

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    Camara weighs 220 and will be entering a pro-level weight training environment for the first time.

    Scouts have described him as a 'playmaking big.'

    I'm not sure why there's a rush to categorize the guy—but if you do want to go there, there's no reason to suggest he can't play the 4 IMO.
     
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    PJ Washington has a 43” vert.
    Draymond had a 33” vert, so the same.
    Zion is insane.
    Horford had a 35” vert so slightly better but he’s also taller.
     
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    Honestly I’m not sure how we got fixated on wingspan, vert etc.

    Rupert has a 7’3 wingspan, 8’10 standing reach and there ain’t no chance you want him playing power forward lol.

    Can they defend the position? That’s really the most important thing.
     
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    I get hammered each time I say it but I think wingspan and standing reach are two of the most overrated stats in the NBA. Players don't defend with their fingertips. They defend with their legs, hips, anticipation, reaction, and focus. A player with his arms extended all the way out from his shoulders can only do one thing...dislocate his shoulder (or elbow)

    that said, if you project Camara to his ceiling, he'd be fine as a PF. Besides, I think SF/PF are a lot more interchangeable than PG/SG
     
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    In today's somewhat "positionless" NBA does "defining" whether he is a PF or SF really matter? Can he defend 3's and 4s? maybe even 2's? Seems he can rebound a lot better than Grant who is just an awful rebounder, been high on him since the trade, I think he can be a solid rotational player, maybe more.
     

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