If anyone that is dialed in has a second to clarify what we have done this last week

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  1. RonBrewer

    RonBrewer Well-Known Member

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    Please help a brother out.

    How many draft picks will we have this year?
    How much money do we have to go out and spend on Free agents? (Assuming we can attract any)

    With Dame, Nurkic, Simons, Nas and whomever we keep that we picked up this last week, we could end up pretty nice but i honestly have no idea on the drafts and cap space we have.

    Unlike others, i like Bledsoe and Winslow.

    I'm hoping we really do commit to one last go around for Dame and that we are going to find some pieces to put around him. That's all that can be asked really.
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    1 2 or 3.

    Between $10 million and $60 million.
     
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    RonBrewer Well-Known Member

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    What about Bofa?
     
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    SharpesTriumph Well-Known Member

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    We have our second round pick. We keep our first round pick if we miss the playoffs (very likely). We get the Pelicans pick if it's #5-14.

    We could clear $60 million in space if we cut Hart Simons Nurk. More likely we have about $20 million in space. We might stay above the cap and just keep exceptions.

    Bledsoe will be cut or traded in the summer.
     
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    Right now we would have picks 8 and 9 and a couple 2nd rounders.
     
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    That's Bank of America. They have ATMs down the street and an app for your phone.
     
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    Thanks man.

    Would pull for Keegan Murray and Paolo Banchero at those two spots. Hopefully take a flier on Oscar Tshiewbwe in the second round. One of the best Rebounders i've seen in the College game.
     
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    Unfortunately Banchero isn't going to fall to 8.
     
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    as for the OP of this thread, I'll take a stab at figuring it out, and I'll probably fuck it up, but that's never stopped me before (last column is next season):

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    keep in mind the salary cap is projected to be 121M

    the inclusive total is 92M. But that includes the full Bledsoe salary. His guarantee is 3.9M. Deduct that and Portland is sitting at 76.6M. The other variable is Hart. I do not believe Portland has any intention of waiving Hart; he's a Billups type of player. But if they did waive Hart, they could hypothetically drop their cap 63-64M

    then, the Blazers have to deal with cap-holds:

    CJ Elleby $1,966,970
    Jusuf Nurkic $18,000,000
    Anfernee Simons $11,816,454
    Ben McLemore $1,766,970
    Dennis Smith 1766970
    Joe Ingles $21,000,000

    obviously, you can toss out Ingles. Portland would immediately renounce if a need to arose. The cap-holds for Elleby, McLemore, and Smith total 5.5M. I don't know how many of the three Portland will bring back. I think Elleby and Smith are the most useful

    that leaves Nurkic and Simons sitting at a combined 30M. If the Blazers are bringing both back, I'd like to hope that their combined first year salaries won't exceed their combined cap-holds. So then, the Blazers would be somewhere in the 95-96M range if they keep Nurk, Simons, and one of the minimum salary guys. But since they'd only have 10 players, they'd absorb 2 roster charges and be in 97-98M range

    then, you have the two first round picks, Portland's and the Pels.

    They currently sit at #8 & #9. But the after-lottery average of those is actually 7 & 8. No matter, if you go by the first year salaries of this season's 8th and 9th picks and increase the amounts by the same ratio of the increase in the salary cap, the combined salaries of the 8th & 9th picks will be around 10.5M. But you can now deduct those two roster charges and it's 8.5M

    that pushes Portland's guaranteed cap to the 105-107M range. So, at that point, 14-16M in cap-space

    BUT, there's one final consideration, and that's the two TPE's the Blazers created. 20.8M and 7.3M. That wipes out Portland's cap space. Further, I think a good argument can be made that for a small market team like Portland, those TPE's may have more value than cap-space
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    now, if you want to maximize cap-space, then first, you'd have to go back in the process and waive Hart; then waive the minimum salary player you kept. That would create another 15M in space. But that would add back two roster charges. Meaning the Blazers could have 27-29M in space. But they would have to renounce both TPE's to create that space. And a couple of exceptions I didn't list were the MLE and BAE. They'd both have to be renounced as well

    now, one possible significant variable is Nurkic. I think he probably wants to return. But if he has a notion that Portland might trade Dame, he could seriously investigate options with other teams. If you deduct Nurkic from the equation (while adding a roster charge), suddenly that 27-29M in cap-space becomes 44-46M in cap-space. That would theoretically make Portland a player. The only single FA 'worth' a max deal may be Zach LaVine. I'm only looking at UFA's because I think there would be way too much speculative risk targeting an RFA. I don't see anybody else on the free agent list I'd consider worth sacrificing the TPE's and MLE's for as well as Hart

    Dame-LaVine-Ant would be a real dynamic back court, but the Blazers would be investing more than 80% of the cap in 3 guards. I doubt LaVine would consider Portland, But maybe he would as I read that Dame and he became friends on the Olympic team. If LaVine did sign, and if Ant continued to build his value, I think the Blazers would have to seriously consider using Ant in a S&T. They have to solve the BYC differential riddle, but they might be able to leverage a pretty good forward from some team

    all of this could change around the draft of course. The New Orleans pick might not convey. Or the Blazers could use that 21M TPE and one of the first round picks to land Jeremai Grant. Cronin seems to have a hard-on for Grant for some strange reason. If the Blazers used that TPE around the draft, they very likely have little cap-space next season

    another thought I just had: if the Blazers abandon any cap-space dreams and keep the TPE's, they might have to restrict their MLE to just the tax-MLE so they wouldn't get hard-capped

    sorry for the TLDR novel. Too much caffeine. I probably missed something significant
     
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    We're going to end up closer to #5. The problem will occur is if the L*kers make the lottery. We'll then end up with the 21st century version of the Frozen Envelope.
     
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    Nah, Lakers don't have control over their pick. It goes to Memphis if it climbs to #1.
     
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    Nice job!
    I’ve heard several mention joe is high on Grant, where does that come from? Just curious
     
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    Thank you! I feel better.
     
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    i hope im reading the protections on that correctly.

    1-10, goes to Memphis, 11-30, it goes to NO.

    (I can't get over how stupid this NO-MEM trade was. They did all this to swap Adams for Valanciunas).

    EDIT

    Sorry I did read that wrong.

    1-10 -- goes to NO
    11-30 -- goes to MEM

    Regardless, LA does not control it.
     
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    I thought I heard the pick goes to New Orleans if 1-10, but Memphis if 11-30.
     
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    Sometimes you almost have to be an attorney to understand how they word these protections and conditions.

    Many posters say we can't trade our first round picks in the summer due to the pick owed to Chicago. Assuming we are in the lottery, we actually could trade any of our 2025-29 picks, potentially 3 first round picks, but it will need a bunch of confusing conditional language about 2 years after such and such conveys. The Lakers traded one of these types of picks to Orlando in the Dwight Howard trade.
     
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    So what you're saying is that New Orleans could get two top 4 picks in this draft? I would probably lose my mind if that happened.
     
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    Why the fuck is Andrew Nicholson still on a teams payroll? Good grief.
     
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    Yeah I didnt think of that... they could get #1 and #2.

    Part of me would love to see the Lakers win the #1 pick and it goes to New Orleans.

    Well, how about we get #1, Lakers get #2 so they lose it to the Pels, and Pels pick is #7 going to us.
     

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