will the Lakers championship have an * next to it? Of coarse, this is assuming the Lakers beat the Wolves and go on to win the Championship. I am just curious to hear the thoughts of basketball fans regarding this issue. Do you think their should be an * next to this championship if Kobe is found guilty? Why or why not?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PrimeTime:</div><div class="quote_post">why? what would the * stand for? there is no reason for one</div>Maybe because they had a rapist playing on their team? Me and my friend were discussing Kobes case and this just popped into my head. Hoping to stirr up some discussion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">will the Lakers championship have an * next to it? Of coarse, this is assuming the Lakers beat the Wolves and go on to win the Championship. I am just curious to hear the thoughts of basketball fans regarding this issue. Do you think their should be an * next to this championship if Kobe is found guilty? Why or why not?</div> I do not think so. Kobe's personal issues have nothing to do with the overall success/failure of his team. If the Lakers win the championship it is because they are the best team in the world and if they lose it, it is because they are not the best team in the world. I personally fail to see why Kobe's off the court issues would render a * being put next to the Lakers if they win the championship this year. They will win/lose the championship as a team.
nah, there's no reason why there would be an asterik. THose are only used when there is something about that championship that makes it questionable or unique from the rest...whether or not kobe is guilty has nothing to do with basketball
No, that doesnt really have to do with on-court imo. That would be a personalty flaw, nothing to do with basketball. Every team has had people with personalty flaws,maybe not to the point of being associated with rape.
As far as official basketball records go, NO, I don't believe their's sufficient reasoning to put an * in the record books. However, IMO, basketball historians will certainly keep it in play thoughout the history of the game.
Doesn't matter. He played on the championship team, and you can't reject that. Everything's already done.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rudeezy:</div><div class="quote_post">will the Lakers championship have an * next to it? Of coarse, this is assuming the Lakers beat the Wolves and go on to win the Championship. I am just curious to hear the thoughts of basketball fans regarding this issue. Do you think their should be an * next to this championship if Kobe is found guilty? Why or why not?</div> Well,I could see it from the opposing side. If the trial caused Kobe to miss a significant amount of playing time in the Finals and say the Pistons won. There would probably be a footnote to the opposing team but not the Lakers.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Dre:</div><div class="quote_post">Well,I could see it from the opposing side. If the trial caused Kobe to miss a significant amount of playing time in the Finals and say the Pistons won. There would probably be a footnote to the opposing team but not the Lakers.</div> I can understand your point. but me personally I wouldnt put a footnote next to anybody who beat the Lakers whether Kobe missed a game or 2 due to court time or not. I look at that as somewhat of an injury type of situation so to speak. The player just isnt avaible but the show must go on. The playoffs dont stop for anybody or anything. The Lakers would still have three future hall of famers on their side, so they should be able to make something happen. I guess it would all depend on the significant amount of time missed. If Kobe missed the entire series then that is a different situation.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess it would all depend on the significant amount of time missed. If Kobe missed the entire series then that is a different situation.</div> <font color="DarkRed"><u>ON the flip side:</u></font> The Lakers should be thankful to have his services for <u>any</u> of this playoff run. Were it not for his notariety and fame, given the scope and severity of the charges against him, he'd probably be in jail without a bail option even available to him.
there would not be an * next to it, but it certainly would give the league a black eye in a time that its really not needed. keep in mind, the jason williams trial is still very fresh & that involved manslaughter and conspiracy charges and yet it has really recieved very little coverage by comparison. **IF** there is a guilty verdict, there are two things that will happen 1) the NBA will go through a period of beeing seen as a "boy's club" and a haven of thugs. 2) basketball will have another self made crisis the same as when jordan retired. if he is found innocent, the result will be charges of "its only because of his money and status" either way its a no win situation. the hoopla surrounding bryant is 100% media created. had it been oliver miller charged with this, rather than bryant, it would have been in the mainstream news for a couple days, and most likely remained less than a footnote for sports news in the long term.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post"><font color="DarkRed"><u>ON the flip side:</u></font> The Lakers should be thankful to have his services for <u>any</u> of this playoff run. Were it not for his notariety and fame, given the scope and severity of the charges against him, he'd probably be in jail without a bail option even available to him.</div> Agreed,but you know if Kobe missed an entire series "everybody & their mother", would bring that point up non stop when talking about the team that beats them. But didnt they say that the actual trail wont start until late July, which means that he would only miss time due to a pretrail hearing or 2. He wouldnt miss an entire series.
well regardless of what happens,Kobe has no one to blame but himself. Rape or not,his infidelities put him in this situation. The man has a wife and child but still felt it necessary to have an extra-marital affair. There should be no footnote for anyone. Kobe did this to himself,aint like it's some freak injury. I for one,don't feel sorry the man. Sure,maybe the chick is trying to get some $$$ but the bottomline is Kobe is a rich celebrity and he knows the pitfalls that could occur if he conducted his life in such a manner. But like I said,can't compare it to an injury and it shouldn't be compared to an injury. But if the Lakers do indeed lose,we'll have to hear some of the fans claim this and that regarding this situation.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Agreed,but you know if Kobe missed an entire series "everybody & their mother", would bring that point up non stop when talking about the team that beats them.</div> As Dre so aptly just beat me to saying: <font color="DarkRed">Kobe has no one but himself to blame for his hardships this season</font>. Whether guilty or innocent, he put himself in that position. As far as what people will reference, the old addage goes: "Excuses are like A-holes,......everyone's got one."
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hagrid:</div><div class="quote_post"><font color="DarkRed"><u>ON the flip side:</u></font> The Lakers should be thankful to have his services for <u>any</u> of this playoff run. Were it not for his notariety and fame, given the scope and severity of the charges against him, he'd probably be in jail without a bail option even available to him.</div> Actually you are wrong. Any person would have been treated the exact same way and Kobe got no special privledges in this case. If it was another person who allegedly committed this crime, the judge would set bail. If the person could pay it, he would out of jail like Kobe is now. Kobe paid his bail and that is why he is walking as a free man right now. To not get bail you either have to be a flight risk, a habitual criminal, or someone who could be percieved as a threat to society. So to say that Kobe was treated differently from any other person with regard to bail is a fallacy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">To not get bail you either have to be a flight risk,....or someone who could be percieved as a threat to society.</div> First, just let me say that in general, Colorado penal law is a joke. <u>Now, back to your comments:</u> Kobe is easily a flight risk. Just because he'd be instantly recognized anywhere he went, doesn't mean he couldn't bolt to a non-extradition country. Granted, no one thinks he's a flight risk because of all he'd be giving up. <font color="DarkRed"><font size="1">(Coincidentally, just like they never thought he could be capable of commiting a crime like this before all this happened)</font></font> However, lets face reality: A smart acountant who can push all his bank accounts over-seas, where they can't be siezed by the US and there's nothing keeping him here. Getting out of this country is easier than getting into it, so seizing his passport isn't effective. Sure, he'd be a pariah for the rest of his life, but he'd be a FREE pariah with a boat load a money to live comfortably for the rest of his life. As far as being a threat to society: Anyone facing the rest of thier life in prison, by default has to be considered a threat to society, IMO.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Kobe is easily a flight risk. Just because he'd be instantly recognized anywhere he went, doesn't mean he couldn't bolt to a non-extradition country. Granted, no one thinks he's a flight risk because of all he'd be giving up. <font color="DarkRed"><font size="1">(Coincidentally, just like they never thought he could be capable of commiting a crime like this before all this happened)</font></font> However, lets face reality: A smart acountant who can push all his bank accounts over-seas, where they can't be siezed by the US and there's nothing keeping him here. Getting out of this country is easier than getting into it, so seizing his passport isn't effective. Sure, he'd be a pariah for the rest of his life, but he'd be a FREE pariah with a boat load a money to live comfortably for the rest of his life. </div> You are right that he could leave the country illegally and have his money transfered however that is the worst case scenario. We can talk worst case scenario's all day long however lets get back to reality. Kobe Bryant is not leaving the country and the judge knew that when he set bail. If the judge thought the idea that Kobe Bryant would leave the country had any merit, he would have stipped him of his passport and Kobe would be spending his nights in a federal prison. He is simply too "high profile" of a target to leave the country and leaving it would be total suicide on his part. He simply has too much invested here in the states to leave and has a good defense case to hopefully prove that he is innocent. If he was going to leave the country it would have been right after the incident happen before he was arrested. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As far as being a threat to society: Anyone facing the rest of thier life in prison, by default has to be considered a threat to society, IMO.</div> I disagree, this could simply be a case of malicious intent where this girl's purpose was nothing more than to cause harm to Kobe. Lets reverse the roles and put an ordinary guy in his place. Tom Joe has sex with a girl. He says the sex was consented, she doesn't. She accuses him of rape and after further investigation he is arrested for allegedly raping this girl(could have been another partner. It is known that this girl "sleeps around"). Are you willing to tell me that this guy, because he has been accused of this crime, is a flight risk to the United States?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you willing to tell me that this guy, because he has been accused of this crime, is a flight risk to the United States?</div> The average Joe isn't the same type of flight risk, but still one. Also, as I said earlier, the charge demands that he be considered a threat to society.
