Trade Dirk.....Howard,Stackhouse,Terry,etc. are all great players to build around. You could get a lot for Dirk (maybe JO or KG or someone else) and be title contenders for years to come. I think Dallasdude will agree with me, because I honestly feel that the mavs are talented enough to win a title, but not with Dirk at the helm.....save yourself the agony and waste of time and get rid of this dude while his stock is still high.
Well, if Dallas would get KG it would be wonderful for him, then he would have at least one chance in his career to win a title. But that deal will never happen
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Trade Dirk.....Howard,Stackhouse,Terry,etc. are all great players to build around. You could get a lot for Dirk (maybe JO or KG or someone else) and be title contenders for years to come. I think Dallasdude will agree with me, because I honestly feel that the mavs are talented enough to win a title, but not with Dirk at the helm.....save yourself the agony and waste of time and get rid of this dude while his stock is still high.</div> Exactly..I've been saying that for ages. They should've traded his sorry ass for KG long time back. There is absolutely NO CHANCE the mavs are gonna win the title with Dirk as the #1 option. I was pissed off when the Mavs didn't trade for Iverson. If only they could have put together a deal with Terry, Stackhoue(expiring contract), Croshere(expiring contract), and a couple of first rounders, Mavs wouldn't be in this mess. Iverson is exactly the player that would have taken the pressure out of Dirk. Iverson/Howard/Dirk would've been the best trio in the league. Oh well.
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Trade Dirk.....Howard,Stackhouse,Terry,etc. are all great players to build around. You could get a lot for Dirk (maybe JO or KG or someone else) and be title contenders for years to come. I think Dallasdude will agree with me, because I honestly feel that the mavs are talented enough to win a title, but not with Dirk at the helm.....save yourself the agony and waste of time and get rid of this dude while his stock is still high.</div> I don't think Stackhouse (especially him) and Terry are "great" players. More like third/fourth options.
I don't know if Dirk is the guy I'd get rid of. Despite his collapse hes still an amazing scorer and almost no one can guard him. IMO the MAvs most need either A) a dominant offensive wing player and/or a playmaking PG. Howard and Stack are great but they're a big notch below guys like T-Mac, Ray Allen, Michael Redd, Joe Johnson, etc. offensively in terms of being able to just flick the switch and turn it on. Jason Terry and Harris are pesky as ***** and at this point I'd love nothing more than to beat Harris down in a back alley for all of his BS flopping but they really don't control the game and they aren't even that good at scoring or defending (especially when refs aren't calling flops). They've got Dirk and surrounded him with guys who are third or fourth tier offensive players and all of them are guys who play pick and roll or iso. IMO this offseason they need to go after a big time wing, but there don't seem to be many available (maybe Pierce?). They might have more success getting a true PG who will create shots and can run the team since Bibby and perhaps Kidd will be on the block, but they'd have to give something of value up and I don't know if they want to do that.
Think of this in totality. The playoffs aren't about seeding. They are about match-ups. And Dallas ended up with probably the ONLY team in the NBA who has their number. I wanted to see Dallas and Golden State because it would be an interesting 1st round (instead of watching the Mavs kick the hell out of the Clippers), but I didn't think the Warriors would win the series. Because I thought the pressure would get to them and the Mavs would make adjustments. Plus, pride would come into the equation. Oh well. If Dallas would have played the Clippers or Hornets, they'd be on their way to the WCF. I already expressed that I think all Dirk is, is a match up problem for traditional 4's and 5's. But he could be guarded by defensive minded players smaller than him (Baron Davis, Bruce Bowen, Artest, Hassell). It's really a shame, that Avery didn't have him in the box more (they both should have known that's where he needed to be). And it was funny when Dallas 5 and the commentators were like "Dirk's been playing like an MVP FOR THE LAST MINUTE". Dirk seems like a nice guy, but he doesn't have the aggressiveness to go to the next level. He kinda reminds me of Yao Ming who just goes through the flow of the offense. The last time, I remember, seeing some fire from Dirk was when Jason Terry gave up that 3-pointer to Nash in the playoffs and Dirk was like "WHAT THE **** ARE YOU DOING!!! WHY DIDN'T YOU FOUL HIM?!?!". This Dallas team is a good one and I don't know if I'd blow it up. Just give Dirk some anger management classes. BUT don't take all of the credit away of the playoff series loss from Avery Johnson either.
Dirk is a great player. He had a bad stretch of games against a team he doesn't match up well against. The last thing Dallas should (or will) do is trade him away.
JO sucks, just putting that out there since he was mentioned in the orignal post as a trade prospect for Dirk.
Golden State won because their the most fearless team in the playoffs. Baron Davis & Stephen Jackson are both animals, despite the criticism they get. Dirk is a good player, but he reminds me of Yao in a sense. He's good enuff to carry a team in spurts but not good enuff to carry a team the whole game. Don Nelson put together that team and he knows Dirks weaknesses's. Trading for KG wouldn't do much.
What do you dallas fans think about moving Dirk to the 3. Then trade howard plus extras for a decent bigman. Terry George Dirk ?????? Dampier
<div class="quote_poster">michiganave17 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What do you dallas fans think about moving Dirk to the 3. Then trade howard plus extras for a decent bigman. Terry George Dirk ?????? Dampier</div> He is listed as a PF, but he's been playing like a 3 his whole career anyway. Other than KG, I wouldn't trade Josh Howard for any other decent big man. Howard is too valuable to this team. Howard + Terry + a first rounder might be enough to get KG. I think Ager has improved throughout this season to get the starting job next year. Harris Ager Dirk KG Damp/Diop is a pretty good lineup.
<div class="quote_poster">dallasdude Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He is listed as a PF, but he's been playing like a 3 his whole career anyway. Other than KG, I wouldn't trade Josh Howard for any other decent big man. Howard is too valuable to this team. Howard + Terry + a first rounder might be enough to get KG. I think Ager has improved throughout this season to get the starting job next year. Harris Ager Dirk KG Damp/Diop is a pretty good lineup.</div> That would be a foolish move. You're completely taking away Dirk's strengths by moving him to SF.
Hmm don't use the name Jerry Stackhouse and "build a franchise" in the same sentence again. Pistons already tried that.
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That would be a foolish move. You're completely taking away Dirk's strengths by moving him to SF.</div> Why is that? No Power Forward ends up guarding him anyway.
I don't see why Dallas has to blow everything up. Dirk's still one of the better players in the league, their core is solid, and they have great chemistry with one another. What I think they need to do this offseason is maybe grab some players that can be effective in a matchup against teams like Golden State. And the players they already have (as well as the coach) need to work on countering that type of style. All the disappointment aside, I consider their current situation a lot like San Antonio's last year, when they were eliminated by Dallas. They lost because they couldn't matchup with the Mavericks when they started to play at a faster pace and run, so they went into the offseason hoping to make some minor changes that could help them play against that next season (signing Francisco Elson, trading Rasho Nesterovic, playing Duncan at center more often, etc.).
<div class="quote_poster">durvasa Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Dirk is a great player. He had a bad stretch of games against a team he doesn't match up well against. The last thing Dallas should (or will) do is trade him away.</div> Agreed. I`d get some tough defensive players that can play around Dirk when the game is winding on. Basically some more firepower on defense.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't see why Dallas has to blow everything up. Dirk's still one of the better players in the league, their core is solid, and they have great chemistry with one another. What I think they need to do this offseason is maybe grab some players that can be effective in a matchup against teams like Golden State. And the players they already have (as well as the coach) need to work on countering that type of style. All the disappointment aside, I consider their current situation a lot like San Antonio's last year, when they were eliminated by Dallas. They lost because they couldn't matchup with the Mavericks when they started to play at a faster pace and run, so they went into the offseason hoping to make some minor changes that could help them play against that next season (signing Francisco Elson, trading Rasho Nesterovic, playing Duncan at center more often, etc.).</div> The difference with the Spurs is that the core group had won twice and are proven. There is no way the Mavs will win a title with their current roster. Maybe just adding an allstar low post player would do or they may need to blow it up.
<div class="quote_poster">dallasdude Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">The difference with the Spurs is that the core group had won twice and are proven. There is no way the Mavs will win a title with their current roster. Maybe just adding an allstar low post player would do or they may need to blow it up.</div> Well you guys made it to the finals last year and won 67 games this year, so you aren't unproven. I don't see the point of blowing it all up.
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well you guys made it to the finals last year and won 67 games this year, so you aren't unproven. I don't see the point of blowing it all up.</div> I agree. Mavs were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The Warriors were the perfect storm, they were brewing in the end of the regular season and the Mavs had to abandon ship once it hit.
