I'm ******* sick of this ****. with the number 8th pick, with Green, Bynum, Granger, Graham available, Isiah picks up a non physical PF who is a poor rebounder, with a limited offensive game. Now we have 7 power fowards. Anyone who thinks Fyre can play center in the NBA is ridiculous. Fyre shys away from the basket, and likes to live on the pick and roll. His post game is raw, I've seen clips of him, and he doesn't really have that much strength on the post for your regular center. He's a finnese PF who moves very well, and can work well with Marbury on the pick and roll. Channing Fyre isn't the answer. We have no centers on this team, and no physical big men, especially since we lost Kurt Thomas our front court will struggle defensively. Isiah decides to be cute, istead of trading Kurt Thomas for Q and a future first rounder, he gives Phoneix the 54th and KT for Q and Nate Robison, Nate ******* Robison. Hear me out here, I'll make it clear and with the 21th pick, Nate Robison a projected 40 - 50 player, we have Marbury at PG, who's going to play 40 minutes a game, and Crawford who can play very good fast break point guard for us for 8 minutes, how does Nate Robison address our shot blocking and rebounding issue? I accually feel bad for Nate, he's not a bad player, but he doesnt belong on the Knicks, this is Marbury's team, with Crawford plaiying 8 minutes back up, Crawford is a better PG than Nate, Crawford is accually underrated at PG, he'll do fine playing PG while Marbury is on the bench to ice it all up, with the 30th pick, with already 6 power fowards on the roster, Isiah selects David Lee, a guy whoj can't defend and block shots, he's a solid rebounder and athelete, but he's not going to HELP US, at all, especially with all these over priced PF's. David Lee is talented, but again Isiah, it doesnt address our need, another guy I feel bad for cause he won't find a role on this confused roster. Isiah, theres no question Fyre, Lee, and Nate Robison are talented, but this draft, this draft os 2005, when you could draft superstar potential players, he settle for potential reseves or decent potential NBA players, why man, with Green, Vazquez, Bynum, Graham, and Granger on the board, those guys can answer out problems of perimeter defense, shot blocking, and rebounding. #8 Green/Vazquez/Bynum/Granger/Graham.......you blew it Isiah #21 Gracia/Petro/Head/Ersan Ilyasova..........you blew it Isiah #30 Turiaf/Taft/Blatche/Salim Stodimire/Martynas.....you've failed life, and this draft, I hope James Dolan gets put away, everyone in the front office, and especially Isiah **** you Isiah, you ****** up my draft, and my whole summer, and basically molsted my hope for my favorite team in the world, the Knicks, you ****** up big time, and I hope you pay and get embarassed in the future
So much anger in one post Im not all that happy about the draft either but Im waiting to see how it turns out first before I start wilding out. Ithink I gave Isiah to much syzzurp during the draft.
I feel the same way about the Raptors... At least you drafted a center... we drafted Charlie V EARLY who is at the same position as our best player for the next 10 years... Babcock and the Raptor's management really are basketball challenged. I do agree that Isiah should have taken Green or Granger, as I think the Raptors should have, but he addressed some of your issue with Frye. Marbury/Robinson Crawford Q-Rich Rose/Sweetney Frye It seems like a considerably better line than last years Raptors merely added a 7th pick to sit on the bench behind Bosh...
Crawford and Richardson should never be on the court at the same time unless with get Jason kidd or steve nash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel the same way about the Raptors... At least you drafted a center... we drafted Charlie V EARLY who is at the same position as our best player for the next 10 years... Babcock and the Raptor's management really are basketball challenged. I do agree that Isiah should have taken Green or Granger, as I think the Raptors should have, but he addressed some of your issue with Frye. Marbury/Robinson Crawford Q-Rich Rose/Sweetney Frye It seems like a considerably better line than last years Raptors merely added a 7th pick to sit on the bench behind Bosh...</div> Charlie V can come off the bench, since maybe Marshall is gone. Putting at Fyre at center in the NBA is punishment for him, I hope he meets the challenge, cause we're in trouble...who the hell is our back up center? lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post"> Charlie V can come off the bench, since maybe Marshall is gone. Putting at Fyre at center in the NBA is punishment for him, I hope he meets the challenge, cause we're in trouble...who the hell is our back up center? lol</div> Tim Thomas
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel the same way about the Raptors... At least you drafted a center... we drafted Charlie V EARLY who is at the same position as our best player for the next 10 years... Babcock and the Raptor's management really are basketball challenged. I do agree that Isiah should have taken Green or Granger, as I think the Raptors should have, but he addressed some of your issue with Frye. Marbury/Robinson Crawford Q-Rich Rose/Sweetney Frye It seems like a considerably better line than last years Raptors merely added a 7th pick to sit on the bench behind Bosh...</div> I feel for you...I really do. I'm just bewildered. I dont know what the Raptors GM is doing. I was hoping they would do something stupid like take Frye(no offense but I'm a Knicks fan and I didnt want Isiah to draft Frye hope you understand) but they did something even worse and drafted Villanueva. Jose I know how you feel. Frye was a lousy pick but calm down. There is no need to be cursing. Save it for the regular season when Frye refuses to work down in the paint where we need him then curse all you want, I'll even help you if you want. Robinson I agree was a bad pick at #21. Roko Ukic and Jarett Jack and a few of other players would have been better. And Isiah Thomas most certainly should have drafted Martynas with the 30th pick. So all in all it was a pretty lousy night. We're better than we were last season but so is just about everyone else. And our back up center is Malik Rose. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas and Babcock should be fired.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm fucking sick of this ****. with the number 8th pick, with Green, Bynum, Granger, Graham available, Isiah picks up a non physical PF who is a poor rebounder, with a limited offensive game. Now we have 7 power fowards. Anyone who thinks Fyre can play center in the NBA is ridiculous. Fyre shys away from the basket, and likes to live on the pick and roll. His post game is raw, I've seen clips of him, and he doesn't really have that much strength on the post for your regular center. He's a finnese PF who moves very well, and can work well with Marbury on the pick and roll. Channing Fyre isn't the answer. We have no centers on this team, and no physical big men, especially since we lost Kurt Thomas our front court will struggle defensively.</div> Calm down, j0se; it wasn?t half as terrible as you make it out to be. The Knicks need size and they get it with the 6?11 Channing Frye who?s length makes him even taller than what he really is. Whether or not you have questions on Frye?s game, he does get the job done and with is tough. His post game might be raw, but with Aguirre around, that definitely won?t be a problem. Sweetney was raw, now his post-up game is refined; Nazr Mohammed was the same way and probably even rawer and Aguirre turned the 28-year-old center into a decent low post player. Channing Frye might not be the answer, Allen Iverson is , but he definitely is a piece to the puzzle. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Isiah decides to be cute, istead of trading Kurt Thomas for Q and a future first rounder, he gives Phoneix the 54th and KT for Q and Nate Robison, Nate fucking Robison. Hear me out here, I'll make it clear and with the 21th pick, Nate Robison a projected 40 - 50 player, we have Marbury at PG, who's going to play 40 minutes a game, and Crawford who can play very good fast break point guard for us for 8 minutes, how does Nate Robison address our shot blocking and rebounding issue? I accually feel bad for Nate, he's not a bad player, but he doesnt belong on the Knicks, this is Marbury's team, with Crawford plaiying 8 minutes back up, Crawford is a better PG than Nate, Crawford is accually underrated at PG, he'll do fine playing PG while Marbury is on the bench</div> Nate Robinson gives us a different look. I?ll admit, when I first heard about this I wasn?t too happy, but then I realized he won?t be so bad. Crawford can play the point in fact, he?s a natural point guard, but with Q most likely being a starting shooting guard, Crawford will give us a prominent scorer off the bench and will play a 6th man role. Nate will fair well at the Garden and will be a tempo changer for us. Although he will be at a disadvantage because of his size, his combination of strength, quickness, and explosiveness make up for it. He will be a nuisance for the opposition on the defensive end. His role for us will be similar to what Earl Boykins does on the Nuggets, however, only this time, he will play for about a quarter. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">to ice it all up, with the 30th pick, with already 6 power fowards on the roster, Isiah selects David Lee, a guy whoj can't defend and block shots, he's a solid rebounder and athelete, but he's not going to HELP US, at all, especially with all these over priced PF's. David Lee is talented, but again Isiah, it doesnt address our need, another guy I feel bad for cause he won't find a role on this confused roster.</div> For a while now, I had this feeling Sweetney was going to be traded because he doesn?t fit in Isiah?s ?athleticism roster?. Lee isn?t bad defensively. Where did you hear that? He does what Jerome does for us. Full of energy but the only thing is he?s younger and maybe more athletic. I think Sweetney is as good as gone this summer so don?t worry to much about that. Plus with Lee?s athleticism and his 7-foot wingspan, he could play some time at center. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Isiah, theres no question Fyre, Lee, and Nate Robison are talented, but this draft, this draft os 2005, when you could draft superstar potential players, he settle for potential reseves or decent potential NBA players, why man, with Green, Vazquez, Bynum, Graham, and Granger on the board, those guys can answer out problems of perimeter defense, shot blocking, and rebounding.</div> I?m surprised Isiah did that. He comes across to me as a talent-over-safety kind of guy, but he ?Did the Right Thing? as Spike Lee would have said. Vazquez is just like Frye in fact, Vazquez may not be as good. Bynum is incredibly raw, immature, and will just start making an impact in about three years. Green, Granger and Graham would have definitely created a huge glut for us. We get shot-blocking, rebounding, defense, and get better now. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">#8 Green/Vazquez/Bynum/Granger/Graham.......you blew it Isiah #21 Gracia/Petro/Head/Ersan Ilyasova..........you blew it Isiah #30 Turiaf/Taft/Blatche/Salim Stodimire/Martynas.....you've failed life, and this draft, I hope James Dolan gets put away, everyone in the front office, and especially Isiah **** you Isiah, you ****** up my draft, and my whole summer, and basically molsted my hope for my favorite team in the world, the Knicks, you ****** up big time, and I hope you pay and get embarassed in the future</div> Come on, at least wait for some results before you start criticizing the moves. I remember when Isiah drafted Ariza, there were many disappointed Knick fans, but after he showed what he can do in the summer leagues, they had a change of heart. Same thing applies with Sweetney. Although you might feel like he?s going to be something special, many felt like he was a bust and yet another terrible selection by Scott Layden and at first, those accusations looked accurate, but the future showed us Sweetney was capable of much more. Let?s see how these draft picks pan out before we call for Isiah?s head.
Patience is a virtue. If you feel that Isiah made a mistake by passing up Green and Granger, then look at the 14 other GMs who passed up on them. Isiah doesn't look so bad in comparison now does he? Nate Robinson was certainly a bad pick though, he wasn't getting a lot of attention and it was definitely possible that he'd be around at 30. Had the Knicks drafted Jack at 21 and traded him to Portland for the 27th and 35th picks, the Knicks could have used the 27 on Robinson, 30th on Lee, and the 35th on Taft or Blatche. In the end, Isiah would have gotten the same players, but with a big man who has a bright future as well.
I feel raped... I understand where you guys are coming from, Nate Robisnon is very talented, not sure how he's going to display his talent with so many guards on this team. if Sweetney is getting traded, hopefully for a center, then maybe I can understand the Lee pick, even though there were better players avaiable Fyre is going to be solid, if we get a real PF, a guy like Okafor, Splitter, Chandler, any guy who's physical, then I can understand where Isiah is going, Fyre can be an main offensive option for Marbury, like Kurt Thomas was on the pick roll, remember how 5 out of 8 marbury assist would always come from the Marbury/KT Pick and Roll conenction? but the problem is....all our PF's are under 6"8 or 6"9, and are not big PF atheletic shot blocking PF's, this is why Fyre can't play center, when we do get that type of player, it makes everything easy for Fyre. Like I said, none of these players are AWFUL, but they don't belong on this kind of team as Knicks are officially the shortest team in the NBA again....didnt Layden do this to us not too long ago?
The major problem I had with the Knicks draft was that they completed the trade for Q-Rich. They don't need a 3-point shooter. And if they wanted a 3 who could rebound amd post up, why not draft Granger or Graham? That way they could keep Thomas and some of their postgame. The way I see it. Nate RObinson will be a good player but they could have drafted Ukic with their last pick. Frye will be decent, but not as good as Mohammed or Thomas.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">Jose I know how you feel. Frye was a lousy pick but calm down. There is no need to be cursing. Save it for the regular season when Frye refuses to work down in the paint where we need him then curse all you want, I'll even help you if you want. Robinson I agree was a bad pick at #21. Roko Ukic and Jarett Jack and a few of other players would have been better. And Isiah Thomas most certainly should have drafted Martynas with the 30th pick. So all in all it was a pretty lousy night. We're better than we were last season but so is just about everyone else. And our back up center is Malik Rose.</div> Frye is a hard worker. There's no doubt about that and now that he's working on his weight intensely, he will be fine. He's tougher than what he's given credit for and his an extremely hard worker. Remember this was the same player who benched 185 pounds 19 times in Chicago. He?ll be fine. The Knicks needed a center and they got the best one available in Channing Frye. What more do you want? I also thought about Jarrett Jack over Nate Robinson but I don?t know if his services will be as valuable as Robinson?s. The Knicks are trying to follow in the path of the Phoenix Suns and they simply need a player who can just come in about 15 minutes and institute a fast paced atmosphere. Imagine: Lee, Frye, and Robinson running the floor. That would be a pretty hard team to keep up with. These are solid picks for the direction we?re trying to go in.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting R_ChutneY:</div><div class="quote_post">The major problem I had with the Knicks draft was that they completed the trade for Q-Rich. They don't need a 3-point shooter. And if they wanted a 3 who could rebound amd post up, why not draft Granger or Graham? That way they could keep Thomas and some of their postgame. The way I see it. Nate RObinson will be a good player but they could have drafted Ukic with their last pick. Frye will be decent, but not as good as Mohammed or Thomas.</div> I think another scorer would have helped the team. Other than Crawford and Marbury, who else do they have? Tim Thomas? Q not only adds another scorer, but he also provides depth to the roster that we haven?t had with the injuries of Penny and Houston. Isn?t Q somewhat clutch too? I don?t watch him all the time, but the times I do get to watch him, he hit some big shots. The Knicks need a clutch shooter and a game-closer. Hopefully Q can provide that for us. Also the Knicks needed to get rid of a power forward; plain and simple. No one but Kurt Thomas had value at the power forward position for the Knicks so they had to do what they had to do. I think you're underrating Frye. Nazr was decent and nothing more. He put up 11/8 when he was with us. Mohammed came to the Knicks incredibly raw and with fewer skills than Channing Frye. Put it like this: Frye is taller and longer in terms of wingspan and reach, equally as athletic, equally as strong or stronger than Mohammed, has range Mohammed never had. He has all the makings of a player better than Mohammed. Once he works with Aguirre and continues to improve, I guarantee he will help this ball club out immensely.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm ******* sick of this ****. with the number 8th pick, with Green, Bynum, Granger, Graham available, Isiah picks up a non physical PF who is a poor rebounder, with a limited offensive game. Now we have 7 power fowards. Anyone who thinks Fyre can play center in the NBA is ridiculous. Fyre shys away from the basket, and likes to live on the pick and roll. His post game is raw, I've seen clips of him, and he doesn't really have that much strength on the post for your regular center. He's a finnese PF who moves very well, and can work well with Marbury on the pick and roll. Channing Fyre isn't the answer. We have no centers on this team, and no physical big men, especially since we lost Kurt Thomas our front court will struggle defensively. </div> First off, calm down. Frye has gained a lot of muscle since his days at Arizona. Some list him at around 270 (Kicksdaddy) and ESPN has him at 250 (up from about 234). He's gaining muscle, 19 reps at the combines in Chicago placed him 2nd (I believe). He may not be physical just yet, his post game may be raw - all of this is true. But look at Mohhamed and how his offensive (not defensive) game developed under Aguirre. Before Aguirre all Nazr was good at was soaring in for an alley-oop or just finding a hole for a dunk, which came rarely. After Aguirre his offensive game got much better, and he began to develop some post moves, he turned himself into a pretty good offensive center - this out of a guy who never started in Atlanta (even after Theo) and a guy who could do nothing but attack the basket on the fly. Even with his improvement Nazr was a poor defender. Naturally, Frye is a better raw scorer than Nazr was when coming to New York. Frye will benefit from Aguirre's tutelage - there's no doubt in my mind. All the while, Frye is a good shot-blocker (3.2 BPG last year for NY - dead last in the league) and a very strong defender. Wait for Aguirre before you judge. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Isiah decides to be cute, istead of trading Kurt Thomas for Q and a future first rounder, he gives Phoneix the 54th and KT for Q and Nate Robison, Nate ******* Robison. Hear me out here, I'll make it clear and with the 21th pick, Nate Robison a projected 40 - 50 player, we have Marbury at PG, who's going to play 40 minutes a game, and Crawford who can play very good fast break point guard for us for 8 minutes, how does Nate Robison address our shot blocking and rebounding issue? I accually feel bad for Nate, he's not a bad player, but he doesnt belong on the Knicks, this is Marbury's team, with Crawford plaiying 8 minutes back up, Crawford is a better PG than Nate, Crawford is accually underrated at PG, he'll do fine playing PG while Marbury is on the bench</div> Listen here. Nate is an explosive point guard. He has break-away speed, great jumping ability, quick decision-making, explosive moves to the hoop, and good finishing skills. All the while he was a lock-down defender in college. Now the defense doesn't always translate nicely into the NBA, but he can only really be beat in the NBA on post-ups. In which case Frye (good held defender) can take the man with no trouble. Nate with Lee and Frye on the court at the same time can lead to some quick, exciting, effective basketball - the uptempo game that the Knicks have lacked. All the while with his penetration skills he can find guys like Crawford or Richardson on the perimeter. I feel that Marbury is gone as a result of the Richardson trade. As you correctly said, Crawford is a pretty darn good PG. I can't see Marbury (a real SG) playing the point, Crawford (a real PG) playing the shooting guard, and Richardson (a real SG) playing the SF. I don't see it. Marbury is the odd man out. I see Marbury gone, and possibly before the season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> to ice it all up, with the 30th pick, with already 6 power fowards on the roster, Isiah selects David Lee, a guy whoj can't defend and block shots, he's a solid rebounder and athelete, but he's not going to HELP US, at all, especially with all these over priced PF's. David Lee is talented, but again Isiah, it doesnt address our need, another guy I feel bad for cause he won't find a role on this confused roster.</div> Lee is more talented than you give him credit for. He wasn't a horrible defender, he was solid. He has toughness and he's a fearless player with great skill. Another project for Aguirre. With Aguirre's help a 4 spot containing a primary shift of Lee and Sweetney could spell trouble for defenses. They both can bang down low, and both fight hard for boards. Lee is an athlete with potential and no fear. I like the pick and after careful consideration I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a great guy off the bench. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Isiah, theres no question Fyre, Lee, and Nate Robison are talented, but this draft, this draft os 2005, when you could draft superstar potential players, he settle for potential reseves or decent potential NBA players, why man, with Green, Vazquez, Bynum, Graham, and Granger on the board, those guys can answer out problems of perimeter defense, shot blocking, and rebounding. #8 Green/Vazquez/Bynum/Granger/Graham.......you blew it Isiah #21 Gracia/Petro/Head/Ersan Ilyasova..........you blew it Isiah #30 Turiaf/Taft/Blatche/Salim Stodimire/Martynas.....you've failed life, and this draft, I hope James Dolan gets put away, everyone in the front office, and especially Isiah **** you Isiah, you ****** up my draft, and my whole summer, and basically molsted my hope for my favorite team in the world, the Knicks, you ****** up big time, and I hope you pay and get embarassed in the future</div>I've made my arguments for the selected players. I'm pretty happy with the draft, you need to calm down. For using the suggestive asterisks you've earned yourself a small warning. Keep your posts calm, despite your anger you need to contain yourself in the future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel for you...I really do. I'm just bewildered. I dont know what the Raptors GM is doing. I was hoping they would do something stupid like take Frye(no offense but I'm a Knicks fan and I didnt want Isiah to draft Frye hope you understand) but they did something even worse and drafted Villanueva. Jose I know how you feel. Frye was a lousy pick but calm down. There is no need to be cursing. Save it for the regular season when Frye refuses to work down in the paint where we need him then curse all you want, I'll even help you if you want. Robinson I agree was a bad pick at #21. Roko Ukic and Jarett Jack and a few of other players would have been better. And Isiah Thomas most certainly should have drafted Martynas with the 30th pick. So all in all it was a pretty lousy night. We're better than we were last season but so is just about everyone else. And our back up center is Malik Rose. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas and Babcock should be fired.</div> Agreed.
Marbury's defense as you is awful at pointguard, putting him at SG would be a punishment for him, he's better at PG I hope Marbury doesn't get traded, is Isiah that confident in Nate Robinson?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury's defense as you is awful at pointguard, putting him at SG would be a punishment for him, he's better at PG I hope Marbury doesn't get traded, is Isiah that confident in Nate Robinson?</div> Yeah, he said he would be a top pick in the draft had he been slightly taller (he's right too). I'm confident in him too. He reminds me of a stronger Spud Webb.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, he said he would be a top pick in the draft had he been slightly taller (he's right too). I'm confident in him too. He reminds me of a stronger Spud Webb.</div> But what will happend to Steph now? Where did these rumors come from?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">But what will happend to Steph now? Where did these rumors come from? </div> They're not officially "rumors" but it is food for thought. Ever since Isiah said Marbury isn't untouchable anymore, there has been speculation as to what would happen. I hope if he does get traded, we get a very useful player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">Tim Thomas </div> IVE NEVER LAUGHED SO HARDDD ..... LOL
