I'm honestly conflicted

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  1. Further

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    With regards to taking in Syrian refugees. There are so many good points made by both sides. Anyone else conflicted?
     
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    I am just glad that I don't have to make these decisions. Washington is apparently accepting Syrian refugees, but I don't live in fear because of it.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I'm conflicted with anyone that ignores our national security
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    How many women and children you see in this migration?

    P.S. You are aware a women suicide bomber just blew herself up on the recent raid in Paris.

     
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    What does ignore mean to you?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    5 ISIS members just caught trying to come into the country through mexico with fake Syrian passports. 8 ISIS member caught trying to come in through Turkey into Europe posing as Syrian refugees. When ISIS themselves, whom have done everything they advertise they say they will do, proclaim that they will infiltrate the Western World as Syrian Refugees.
     
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    So they were caught? In other words, security wasn't ignored?
     
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    No, it proves there is an actual threat to our national security. Out of 10k refugees, even if there are 10-20 ISIS members that slip through, innocent blood will be on the hands of the government that allows them in. If I poison 10 gum balls, where even one would kill you, out of 10k, would you grab a handful and eat them?
     
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    Our country has been known for its compassion for immigration and refugees, but that takes a back seat to national security. Every elected official swears to protect every citizen of the United States. They must protect us before they protect others. It's a sad situation, but there are other ways to protect those refugees with a collaboration of other countries. You can secure a safe area in either Syria or Southern Iraq, where military protect this zone. The native Syrians really don't want to leave. They are forced to because they fear their lives. If the country was safe, they would never leave.
     
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    I guess my point is that security is not being ignored. You may disagree with some/many/all of the security policies, but to say that security is being ignored is misleading. As for the gumballs, what would be your solution. Send all the gumballs and the poisonous ones too to another country so that maybe they could kill other people? Destroy all the gumballs? Maybe put the gumballs in camps so they can be controlled? What if we are all gumballs? Maybe we should just all kill ourselves to get rid of the few bad gumballs? I don't have any answers to the situation. All I am going to do is live my life without fear, because otherwise the poisonous gumballs have won.
     
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    I don't live in fear, but that's partially because I live in rural Washington state. One of my best friends (I was his best man) lives in DC with his 5 month old daughter.

    I don't base my opinions on bluster so those memes mean nothing. And fear doesn't have much to do with it, it's that I can't make an honest assessment on if this policy will bring actual danger and possibly terrorism to the United States. I have listened to experts with both opinions and I simply don't have the actual information needed to correctly assess the situation. I want to help the children, women, tortured victims if Isis but if the cost is the lives of citizens then the answer has to be to find another way to assist.
    I don't think most ignor it, they just listen and only apply credibly to the experts that say the threat is only imagined and that these discarded souls are who we need to attend to in order to actually start winning back the hearts and minds of the Muslim community in order to eventually have a true victory.
     
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    No, the gum balls wouldn't win if our fucking president would unite the world, instead of pushing his world view agenda. There is an opportunity here to protect Syrians by securing an area with all nations support. It actually protects them faster because the "vetting process" takes 2 years regardless. Secure a place and allow the migration there and they can be safe immediately. And with military support, they can organically weed out the infiltration. by policing the area.
     
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    Hah! I knew you were anti-gumball!!! :)
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Sure. Feeling conflicted is normal for most sane people when faced with difficult and complicated circumstances.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    "[...]We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular." - Edward R. Murrow
     
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    BlazerWookee UNTILT THE DAMN PINWHEEL!

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    I'm anti Bryant Gumball...
     
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