Im wondering what the rockets are doing...After a first round exit but a great performence by Steve, they insist on taking their team apart. Granted Mobley and Cato aren't mvps but have been there a long time and all of them were getting to understand Jeff's system. Francis almost avereged a thriple double along with 20 ppg. Trade anyone but keep francis and yao together. if you bring in mcgrady hes gonna want to dominate and wont share the ball. hes immature and has never played with someone as talented as yao, which will keep them from winning a championchip. maybe a shaq vs. kobe feud will come about where each will say they can win without each other, probably not. anyway, francis brought yao in and yao and him connected. that translates well onto the court. i would agree that if the rockets werent doing good by the all-star break, then id do the trade. oh and juan howard would lose to mark madsen in a 1 v 1 game, not good value. i think this trade will hurt the rockets in the future.
This trade may make the rockets weaker on the bench short-term but they will have 2 top 10 player in the league locked-up. You can get the other players via FA and the Draft. If you can get a 1 - 2 punch like that you have to do it, you just have to.
I agree with rocketguro, although I hate to see Francis go and Tracy might never change his attitude you still got to do it, basically a Francis/Yao combo needs more help than a McGrady/Yao combo would to win a championship.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TwinTowers:</div><div class="quote_post">McGrady has never played with alent like Yao? what about VC.</div> When McGrady played with Carter, he was nowhere the player he is now. When Vince was in the spotlight, T-Mac didn't really get a lot of touches and averaged only 12 points per game. Now that he is a star, there is no way he would settle for 12 shots a game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if you bring in mcgrady hes gonna want to dominate and wont share the ball. hes immature and has never played with someone as talented as yao, which will keep them from winning a championchip.</div> Somewhat true, the Rockets, and most likely McGrady, are gonna see this as a long term deal. Theyre only 25, 23 respectively. If you give em 5 years, theyll both begin to emerge as real complete players (hopefully). I think the Rockets are trying to adapt to the Western Conference by having 2 players that draw double teams, somewhat like Kobe and Shaq, except Yao and Tmac will (hopfully) develop more of a friendly relationship. I'm not sure what T-macs IQ is, but he should know that he'd need to share the ball with Yao. I'm not trying to defend T-mac, I'm trying to look on the bright side. In all of the positions that we are vacating, were getting better people. Cato<Howard, Tmac>Mobley, Gaines+Lue>Francis - atleast i think that. Dont bring stats into this..<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">oh and juan howard would lose to mark madsen in a 1 v 1 game, not good value. i think this trade will hurt the rockets in the future</div> It is a totally up in the air deal, no one can really tell whats gonna happen. All the experts arent saying anything about either teams future. Madsen might win bcus of his defense, but i think Howard has a better shot at winning. All we need is role players at the Point, and maybe the PF, but Howard and Taylor are great role players. We already have a great SF, and PG seems to be covered well. I hope this trade goes down, because we'll be screwed if it doesnt.
i am about the biggest franchise fan.. and i was heartbroken about the trade but.. i came to realize this is better for the rockets.. i think the people that keep sayin keep francis are attached to him as a fan not as a person that wants to improve our team... i wish franchise the best of luck n i hope he turns into the franchise player he truley is ... i hope we do now get t-mac, n get fisher in free agency so we could have a starting five to be wreckoned with
Yeah, in the paper (probably just speculation) it said that the Rockets contacted Fisher, after he said he'd be interested in the Rockets. Then his agent said that he is deeply interested in Houston.. I dont like Fisher, but he is an improvement over Lue, because Fisher has been a player longer, and knows the role-playing position better because he already has won 3 championships.. New line up? C - Yao; DeClerq as reserve PF - Howard; Taylor as reserve SF - J. Jackson; Boki as reserve SG - McGrady; Pike as reserve...? PG - Fisher..?; Lue/Gaines/Wilks/M. Jackson/Ollie as reserves? Cant wait till after the draft, we can start doing some business in the FA market, hopefully land a few trades.
Madsen might win bcus of his defense, but i think Howard has a better shot at winning. All we need is role players at the Point, and maybe the PF, but Howard and Taylor are great role players. We already have a great SF, and PG seems to be covered well. I hope this trade goes down, because we'll be screwed if it doesnt.[/QUOTE] ok this was just an example to show that howard is an expensive player who never shows up. this trade has to happen because it is a red sox situation now, francis was betrayed by his team (like nomar) so he has to go. orlando could have a pretty nice lineup though. c-okafor pf-gooden sf-hill sg-mobley pg-francis the magic say they want to run and thats how cat and franchise played before yao came, SHOWTIME!
i don't think it's not as bad as you all think its gonna be with TMac and his shots... He realizes that he got worn out the last 2 seasons carrying the Magic on his back. Now that he has someone who can take pressure off him, I think he'll be happy taking fewer shots and having a better chance at a championship.
I think it's become clear that Francis playing the way he is right now isn't winning us games.. And he doesn't seem all that likely to change, either. T-Mac may be more willing to feed Yao the ball since he's the new guy. Francis was Houston's established star & scorer when Yao was brought in and then he never really came to terms with becoming #2. Who knows though, but I mean how can you pass up on Tmac & Yao???
Tmac and Yao is gonna be the next kobe and shaq, with out the baby drama. But remember, kobe and shaq werent clickin the first couple years they were together. They didnt win the finals till 2000. Just give them time, and you'll regret saying anything about mcgrady being the hog of the team. And maybe ya can stop about mcgrady personality, francis wasnt a lil angel here in houston. complaning about everything and his migrains.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting RocketLaunch:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with rocketguro, although I hate to see Francis go and Tracy might never change his attitude you still got to do it, basically a Francis/Yao combo needs more help than a McGrady/Yao combo would to win a championship.</div> i dont understand what you guys are talking about with tracys attitude. all he wants to do is win. where ever that is. he was the main guy and if he didnt score as much as he did then the magic wouldnt have won a game
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting burgballer:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont understand what you guys are talking about with tracys attitude. all he wants to do is win. where ever that is. he was the main guy and if he didnt score as much as he did then the magic wouldnt have won a game</div> if he really wanted to win he would have stayed with carter up in toronto, but he wanted to have a team for himself. so how long will it take for him to want to go back to being the man (only man) on the team?
TMac won't be so bad, sure he's not as good a defender as Francis, but they're close and equal in terms of rebounding, although he's a lot taller. There's a big plus, a huge SG. Scoring could possibly be what you need since you're a defensive team, sure Francis is good at it, but TMac is better, this is like saying what's wrong with the Spurs, the lack of offensive ability to make the easy open shot. TMac will do more than that for you in the offensive specs of the game. Also he of course has much better shot selection that Franchise, although I'd have to agree he'd probably hog the ball and his bad attitude would rub off. On the upside, he doesn't turn the ball over so muc, also being a good passer.
T-Mac's never really had the complimentary star player to play with... and i don't want to hear bout Toronto and VC cuz they never really gave him a chance there. VC and him play the same position (pretty much) and they had him coming off the bench. His bad attitude, if u want to call it that, may just be a result of all the losing in Orlando. I mean, he there were nights when he was the only one on that team who could score a basket. And Francis' attitude isn't exactly sparkling either. At least it shakes the team up because the way the team was, I don't think you can get far in the playoffs with a backcourt that turns the ball over 5+ times a game.
