<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I did a little rummaging through the schedule and compared the games players lost to injury versus wins and losses. Obviously not direct comparisions because of other things like who else was also out, the comp, etc. But, still, seeing how the team does when a player isn't there is a pretty good indicator of how important the player is to the team. I found some stats that that surprised me, and one I went looking for.First, MD has been injured less, 21 games, than Howard, 28, Devin, 31, and Stack, 33. I guess his injuries from previous years had gotten "tacked on" in my mind. But, still, he did continue of a history of being injured too much. Next, we lost at the highest rate with Devin out. 29.03%Then, the next guy we could afford least to lose was Griff, a close second (I thought he would surprise most people by being number one) at 27.27%Josh was pretty needed as well, we lost 25% of the time without him. [edit: although, on the season we won at just about the same rate with and without Josh, a little surprising.]Getting below the Mendoza line (the line we lost at on the season 24.35%, excluding last 2 meaningless losses) we get to Stack and MD. Re-stated, we won more while they were out.We lost 21.21% of the games when Stack was out. The most shocking number was how we did without MD, though I've seen him as a dissappointment this year, I was surprised to see we lost only 2 games during the 21 he was out. We lost only 9.5% of the games he sat out. Mabye there is a reason AJ doesn't see him as very useful to give minutes?The "keyest" players seem to be #1 Devin, #2 Griff, #3 Josh, #4 Stack and "unkeyest" MD. (I left out the last few games where we weren't fighting for every win.)</div>Richard from LMF. I thought this was interesting read on Daniels after mavsfan's Stack thread. It seems Daniels is expendable as well.
Interesting, I of course keep on saying that Griff is a very undervalued player on this team, and it keeps getting thrown back at me, but this, while not concrete, does show that he is valuable, and about as valuable as Harris.
Trust me. Stackhole is the worse in the pack. Daniels being out also came at the time Dallas got Griffin and Diop in the starting lineup and Dallas had a ton of games at home. Good try though.
When Daniels was out was when Dallas had a ton of home games and that is when they put Griffin in the lineup along with Diop. Harris was playing great at that time as well. When Stackhole was out Dallas was starting Christie which he turned out to be a bust. I still think Dallas's best starting lineup is Terry, Daniels, Howard, Nowitzki, and Diop. Have Harris, Dampier, Stackhouse, and Griffin come off the bench in that order.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (mavsfan1000 @ Apr 17 2006, 01:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When Daniels was out was when Dallas had a ton of home games and that is when they put Griffin in the lineup along with Diop. Harris was playing great at that time as well. When Stackhole was out Dallas was starting Christie which he turned out to be a bust. I still think Dallas's best starting lineup is Terry, Daniels, Howard, Nowitzki, and Diop. Have Harris, Dampier, Stackhouse, and Griffin come off the bench in that order.</div>That might be the best starting lineup, but i like Griffin starting and having both Stackhouse and Daniels coming off the bench. The reasoning behind this is because if the Mavs start the game slow, they can plug stackhouse and daniels into the game and hopefully give them a spark on offense. if they start off slow with Daniels starting and Griffin coming off the bench, Griffin in no way is going give them a charge.
^Agreed.But I don't think Daniels should be starting, I think Griff is the best starting option, more than Daniels or Stackhouse is.Now that doens't mean I think Griff is a better player than either of those guys, he's not. But as for the makeup of the starting lineup, the five guys we have in the starting lineup as of now, is the best one we have.Oh and Mavsfan, when Daniels was out, there were some home games. But if I remember correctly the Mavs went something like 30-3 after they inserted Griff and Diop into the starting lineup...and there's no way 20-25 or more games were played at home.
I posted this because I knew it would eek mavsfan because it wasn't a positive look at Daniels. And guess what, it did. And you basically made his point stronger when you said we had Griff/Diop in the starting line and went on a run, which basically reiterates Daniels is expendable if we were so good without him. This ain't a diss on Daniels or nothing, it just shows how mavsfan favors one player over the other, when he posted Stackhouse's season. I don't favor either, I think both should come off the bench. With Stack's expiring contract, I see Daniels being the expendable one via trade. You may say Stack should be traded, but like Van Horn, Cubes will let him expire rather then take on excess contracts when he can erase it come summer.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ Apr 16 2006, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I posted this because I knew it would eek mavsfan because it wasn't a positive look at Daniels. And guess what, it did. And you basically made his point stronger when you said we had Griff/Diop in the starting line and went on a run, which basically reiterates Daniels is expendable if we were so good without him. This ain't a diss on Daniels or nothing, it just shows how mavsfan favors one player over the other, when he posted Stackhouse's season. I don't favor either, I think both should come off the bench. With Stack's expiring contract, I see Daniels being the expendable one via trade. You may say Stack should be traded, but like Van Horn, Cubes will let him expire rather then take on excess contracts when he can erase it come summer.</div>I agree Rok. I think everyone is as important as everyone else on the team except for Dirk, Howard and Terry. The rest of the players are very important to our success, not just Harris or Marquise, but so are Griff, Diop, DA, and Stack.
