The PresidentColin PowellThe Mediawho to blame!?You have to go with the president, he just fell into the pressure. He went in there with his eyes closed, not even knowing a thing about Iraq.
George Bush knew a lot about Iraq, trust me...but did he know the things we needed to know about going to war there? Probably not. I don't know who to put all the blame on, it's everyones fault from international intelligence services to our American politicans...there's enough blame for everyone. Ugh.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 18 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>George Bush knew a lot about Iraq, trust me...but did he know the things we needed to know about going to war there? Probably not. I don't know who to put all the blame on, it's everyones fault from international intelligence services to our American politicans...there's enough blame for everyone. Ugh.</div>You can blame everyone, but then all the trouble falls on the president. He was the guy who said go, he was the guy who went in there and found few WMD.The only number that matters now2,946 men and women.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L_C @ Dec 18 2006, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The PresidentColin PowellThe MediaThe jewswho to blame!?You have to go with the president, he just fell into the pressure. He went in there with his eyes closed, not even knowing a thing about Iraq.</div>wtf?I blame Bush too. When the hell did Saddam come into this? Where's O-f*cking-Sama? It's time we found him.
Just to clear things up, Bush said war on terrorism, im not saying its wrong or right...but b4 we went to war with Afghanistan, he said this would be a war on terrorism...not only Afghanistan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz76 @ Dec 18 2006, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just to clear things up, Bush said war on terrorism, im not saying its wrong or right...but b4 we went to war with Afghanistan, he said this would be a war on terrorism...not only Afghanistan.</div>Yeah, but only after he said 'we're going to catch osama'
Osama is pretty much worthless, the Military went after thr right targets after 9/11-IE the people who masterminded the attack and those intrigal in planning. Bin ladin was more of a figure head and financier(sp?). Catching/Killing Osama would be a nice moral boost but it isn't as important as you might think, and personally I'm glad the military went after more important targets.Saddams down fall is his own fault; the reason W is out to get him is because Saddam tried to Kill GHW Bush. When he did that is when Saddam should have been removed for power, Bill Clinton could have gone in there and taken him out with little ease. especially since Clinton perfered bombing things rather than sending in ground forces.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Dec 18 2006, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Osama is pretty much worthless, the Military went after thr right targets after 9/11-IE the people who masterminded the attack and those intrigal in planning. Bin ladin was more of a figure head and financier(sp?). Catching/Killing Osama would be a nice moral boost but it isn't as important as you might think, and personally I'm glad the military went after more important targets.Saddams down fall is his own fault; the reason W is out to get him is because Saddam tried to Kill GHW Bush. When he did that is when Saddam should have been removed for power, Bill Clinton could have gone in there and taken him out with little ease. especially since Clinton perfered bombing things rather than sending in ground forces.</div>If he's a financer, why the hell wouldn't we try to stop him? Don't go crying and whining about it when Osama gets another group together and terrorizes some other place. Osama should be Target numero uno, but everyone keeps conveniently forgetting we haven't touched him yet.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Dec 19 2006, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Osama will never be caught... WHY? Because he's f*cking dead.</div>Prove it. I'll believe he's dead when he turns 100 years old.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Dec 18 2006, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wtf?I blame Bush too. When the hell did Saddam come into this? Where's O-f*cking-Sama? It's time we found him.</div>Do you have any idea how hard it is to search an entire country, that has a region that is very mountaineous and dangerous to look for someone. Add to that, there is a part of Pakistan that he could very well be in, but that Pakistani government will not enter that area to look and they will not allow us into their country to look for Osama Bin Ladin. Bin Ladin could also ver easily be dead, or have fleed the country before 9/11 and went to Saudi Arabia or Yemen or some place like that without us knowing. So we are trying to go after Bin Ladin, but its kind of hard to know exactly where he is. Trust me, the U.S. and now Nato who has a very strong presence in Afghanistan these days, after the U.S. gained control of the country, are looking for Osama Bin Ladin day and night.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Dec 19 2006, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Osama will never be caught... WHY? Because he's f*cking dead.</div> Usama will never be caught...because his body guards are orded to kill him before he's ever captured...I really doubt he's dead, someone would have leaked it out by now...and Usama is not even 55 years old yet...he's not as old as people think he is...not to mention the rumors of his kidney problems are probably false.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Noah @ Dec 19 2006, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm glad you know so much inside information on him. What would we do without you?</div> I own two books on him, and it's my responsiblity to keep up on whats going on in the world and our nations enemies. Sorry.
I blame the whole government for Iraq. I don't just blame Bush. You can't just blame Bush. Now I also blame the media for giving everyone the "cry baby" mentality. I am not judging anyone. But- SHUT UP! It happend, we are there. We can't spend the rest of Bush's term crying about how it is all his fault and wahwahwahwah. Shut up and decide on a solution, help that way. You do nothing by saying, why are we there? We should leave! People are being killed! You don't think the government knows that? But you can't just leave. This Iraq conflict is like that JUMBO block game. The U.S. government pulled out the bottom block and now the whole thing has collapsed. It isn't easy rebuilding this country and we can't just leave or anybody could rebuild it. So the point of all of this is, I am sick and tired of hearing about who's fault it is. Shut up and let's work on solutions. Was it a bad idea that we went there? Most likely, but deciding that does nothing for this nation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (drake24 @ Dec 19 2006, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I blame the whole government for Iraq. I don't just blame Bush. You can't just blame Bush. Now I also blame the media for giving everyone the "cry baby" mentality. I am not judging anyone. But- SHUT UP! It happend, we are there. We can't spend the rest of Bush's term crying about how it is all his fault and wahwahwahwah. Shut up and decide on a solution, help that way. You do nothing by saying, why are we there? We should leave! People are being killed! You don't think the government knows that? But you can't just leave. This Iraq conflict is like that JUMBO block game. The U.S. government pulled out the bottom block and now the whole thing has collapsed. It isn't easy rebuilding this country and we can't just leave or anybody could rebuild it. So the point of all of this is, I am sick and tired of hearing about who's fault it is. Shut up and let's work on solutions. Was it a bad idea that we went there? Most likely, but deciding that does nothing for this nation.</div>Yeah, I think it's a brilliant idea to continue killing innocent civilians while occupying a country we had no f*cking business being in, in the first place. Let's continue to spend billions upon billions of dollars, further plummeting the country into even more debt by the day. Two things are consistant while "we" remain there for no apparent f*cking reason... While the gov't continues to use the media to feed people such as yourself bullsh** reasons for staying and trying to "rebuild their nation"... Two things will remain constant:1. The bodies will continue to pile up (both Iraqi civilian and troops alike)and2. The dollars will continue to pile upThose things are NOT f*cking good for not only this countries economy, but the moral and overall dissastisfaction with bush and his bullsh** f*cking dictatorial regime. So having said all that, since you seem to want to come up with a solution to the failed f*cking blunder that is this miserable, pointless, nonsensical, murderous, illegal, immoral f*cking war, why don't YOU tell everyone what that solution would be? Because the ONLY solution I see that would be would make sense, and remotely help things is by pulling the F*ck out of their country as soon as possible. Think of this way... flip-flop it. Iraq's a powerful nation, the US is just another country, they invade this f*cking country, and subsequently kill off 600,000 of it's citizens in the search for non-existant, farcical "weapons of mass destruction". Once admitting failure to find such pretend WMD's, they STILL remain here for years on end, as a bullsh** excuse because "Oh well they want to HELP us, not HURT us"... Do YOU think the people already living here would say "Ok, sure! We don't mind you occupying our country and killing anybody (undoubtedly the majority by that point) who disagrees with you being here! Go ahead and F*ck around a few more years, stay as long as you'd f*cking like!" NO. They'd be rallying, and trying their damndest to get the f*cking troops/occupiers OUT of this f*cking country. And now we've come to this. The point were everyone is starting to realize that this whole idea of "war" was a f*cking failure from day one... Unbelievable that it took the majority of the citizens in this country nearly 4 f*cking years to figure that one out! That's the sheer ignorance that the people who live here possess. It's pathetic, it's disgusting, and it's how those fuckers in office continually manipulate and do things their way, so NOTHING will change. That piece of sh*t bush said that as long as he's in office, there's no plans for pulling the troops out. Of course he said that before the people FINALLY woke up and said enough is f*cking enough, and voted the Democrats into the majority for the House and Senate. Now we can only hope that the Dems don't REMAIN the pussies that they've proven themselves to be when it comes to the dictatorial bullsh** regime sitting in the white house (Which is where subsequently the WMD's ARE - the f*cking white house, they run this toilet ya know) and hopefully they actually DO something about this gaddamned mess, and get the troops the F*ck OUT of the country as soon as possible.Possible yes... Probable? I doubt it.
You mention 1. People dying 2. Money But fail to mention 1. The people there, the hundreds of thousand dead...don't they deserve a more stable government before we leave that mess for them to clean up, don't you think that is pretty selfish to just take off because it's bad for us?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrewCityBuck @ Dec 19 2006, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You mention 1. People dying 2. Money But fail to mention 1. The people there, the hundreds of thousand dead...don't they deserve a more stable government before we leave that mess for them to clean up, don't you think that is pretty selfish to just take off because it's bad for us?</div>No. The one thing this f*cking country has always done (that I could never understand) is meddle in OTHER countries/peoples' affairs, and never concerned themselves with their OWN issues/problems, etc. Let Iraq handle Iraq... We were NEVER supposed to be their in the first place... Saddam is gone, if leaving ends up leaving Iraq in a state of disarray, that's fine! Let them sort it out, let THEM handle their OWN f*cking business without having to worry about another countries soldiers f*cking offing them, because they disagree with the occupancy!The bad FAR outweighs any "good" you think that would happen if we continue to stay. What the F*ck could possible be done, that they haven't tried/attempted to do already? What good is wasting all this money, and killing all these people going to do? I don't know what kind of outcome you or anybody else feels is supposed to come out of remaining there... Whatever it is, I seriously DOUBT it to be even remotely possible. You haveta understand the implications of remaining there.... It's going to boil up to the point where things are only going to get WORSE... Whether that involves their neighbouring countries (which is absolutely likely) is anybodies guess... But I wouldn't be surprised. Let the middle east be the middle east... There's ALWAYS been dissension there, always... So foreign troops from another country sitting on their asses waiting for the assholes in the office to come up with another horse-sh*t farcical excuse for them NOT to go home, for them to continue killing people, and for money to continue to be spend is f*cking bullsh** in my mind.
