Is Chauncey a good coach?

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  1. GDiama

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    I agree with this one. CJ and Dame for example have known only one coach in their NBA career. If that coach said for 9 years what they are doing is good and keep doing that then this is what they think it's right. And at 30 years old nobody is going to reconsider his game and make drastic changes. Especially since they can still score their 20+ points etc which means in their mind they are still very very good. You cannot take CJ's tunnel vision away at 30 years old. He should have been asked to be more of a ball mover 7 years ago. And as for Defense if you are not held accountable when you are a rookie then nobody will dare to say you a thing in this league when you are paid 30M. This is how it works.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Gimmick-hungry yob

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    Not saying it would be a good look to fire Chauncey right now, but I am genuinely wondering, what's the fastest a coach has been fired? I know Jerry Tarkanian didn't last a season with the Spurs, but that might have been mutual, because he wasn't a spring chicken at the time.
     
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    Oh yeah, they're just lazy. Lillard's famous for just getting fat in the offseason. Sure, CJ is perennially among league leaders in miles covered, but that's just cover for his laziness.
     
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    I'm sure this is meant as an insult, unfortunately I have no idea what it means.

    So your point is that changing coaches is pointless because Stotts is imprinted on these players forever. Thus, firing Stotts does nothing and Billups is useless here. Interesting perspective.
     
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    He is a good coach, we have seen it already. When we blew out the Suns, Grizzlies, Clippers, Lakers and we had good wins against the Bulls, Indiana, Raptors and Philadelphia. Unfortunately, his players have let him down multiple times, so the main issue i have with him is his talk about accountability. He has to held his players accountable, and not just talk about it
     
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    Why would I ever choose to insult you, Minstrel? I'm saying you defending Stotts, like "kids, leave this poor man alone".
    Nothing will happen to him from few words on forum. And he seem like a really nice and smart guy as well.

    And, btw, anyway, after what I see this season, I'm movin slowly to position, that maybe it was really not his fault and he overachieved with team he got. Idk.

    About changing coaches, it was really not hard to see few years ago, that this ship not gonna fly. It took to long.

    Can almost a decade of playing under one coach and only coach print a stamp on player? I sure think it is hard to change now.
    Blazers haven't change coach and haven't change their backcourt for long stretch. Almost like they thought that "changing coaches is pointless".
     
  9. royo

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    They sure are famous for their defense.

    Take ten boys on the court and ask them, who wants to be the hero shooter and who wants to be best defender. And check their history of lazyness.
    I think there might be some correlations to find.

    So, I ment work. It is easy not be lazy at something that gives you shit tones of fun:)
     
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    I think Chauncy has a chance of being a good coach, but it seems that he was a bad choice for a veteran team with a compromised roster (which is not his fault, it was NeO's fault).

    Luckily, we have a different GM - and there is a chance the roster will change to give him a chance to succeed.

    I will say however that Chauncy trying to make a good defensive team from that roster makes him acting like an alchemist - I don't care how many eyes of newt you are going to pour into that mix, it's not turning into gold.

    On the other hand, Terry Stotts acted as an engineer - he had a worse roster defensively than this current team and the team did not look as miserable as this one. I have not before and I continue not to blame him for using the crappy resources he was given by the front-office as he did. He maximized that roster to the best of his abilities - which are a lot higher than a lot of this board gives him credit for.
     
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    I'm not defending Stotts--I thought he was a mediocre coach and I was fine with his firing. I'm saying you can't keep pretending further failures remain Stotts' fault. Billups has to be responsible for his coaching tenure.
     
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    exactly. Already the litany of excuses for obvious faults this season are piling up. Fingers pointing everywhere but at Billups it seems

    I mean, just about everybody who was a fan of the hiring of Billups spent all summer explaining how much better this roster was defensively than last season and how easy it was for Billups to make improvements on defense. Just simple schematic adjustments...just wait! Well, so far, the defense is worse...and whose fault is that? Stotts of course because he has some negative metaphysical influence on the future....er, present. Stotts is still there on the bench in ghost form launching torpedoes into the Billups hull. Stotts also has 28 ghost fingers plugging the ears of the Blazer players from hearing the Billups message

    sometimes jamming square pegs into round holes isn't a good idea
     
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    Yes, agreed. After some time with a team he should know where he thinks he needs GM's help and GM should help him. After all Blazers didn't hired him to check his skills. They hired him to coach the team to level up.

    And I still think Stotts is responsible for shaping players.
    Who shaped CJ hero vision? I mean, seriously. In any trade people do things different ways and it is not easy to fix a worker after ten years.
    CJ is not stupid, but I imagine it is much easier to do what you good at and it is crazy to think you can change overnight.

    Letting Stotts eating popcorn watching something he prepared for a decade is comical. It is the first time his kids went up to work for another coach... and guess what? They don't like it.
    It is still extremely early. Team is in mess for some reason. Some say 9 years made this mess and some, that two months of Billup's coaching is responsible for it.

    If you try to apply some logic on it, you know, for me it is not pointing on Billups. Problem with this team is old as dirt. I could only put it on Billups, when I see some news about Blazers. But lack of effort on the court? Is it something new for anyone here?
     
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    that arm of the athletic is a subsidary for Klutch as is, so maybe he's justified.
     
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    Rastapopoulos Gimmick-hungry yob

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    I don't know whether or not Chauncey is a good coach (although I have my suspicions) but I'm pretty damn sure he'd be a bad coach for somebody like Ben Simmons...
     
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    Even Zach Lowe is questioning why poor Nurk is blitzing every pick and roll.
     
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    It's just odd to me
    • Nurk is still better around the rim
    • All our guards are pretty awful low man options on the weakside and that's killer if the ball gets middle
    • Cov and Nance both have looked creaky on long closes changing direction
    • Blitz was supposed to protect Dame/Ant/Cj's inability to get through a screen, but instead we are just shifting that pressure onto their ability to be team defenders
    • On ball /point of screen issues still showing up on rejects (which we are getting killed by). In a drop you can get away with that, but with big hugged up waiting to hedge out, that help now has to come from the corner which is extremely tough to do in an emergency help situation. *Our 5's being hugged up is an issue even in non ball screen situations
    Fine with blitz as a change-up and was all for being more flexible defensively, but this is not it and I will continue to die on the hill that drop on it's own was way down the list of issues with our defense last year.

    Personnel, discipline, communication, buy-in from Dame /Nurk/ CJ were all much higher on the list, and we are seeing that play out. The scheme is radically different, but the results have been the same and I'd argue considerably worse considering improvements to personnel and what the numbers look like compared to the rest of league vs last year.
     
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    Also, consequently, Nurk has looked like a worse rim protector, partially because he's always out on the perimeter, and partially because when he's at the rim it's usually because he was running and trying to get back into the play and not in actual position to contest a shot properly.

    His fouls are down because of it though, so *shrug*.

    When we implemented the blitz, I thought it would be for a change of pace. Some players you just can't drop on, like Curry. But why are we blitzing Dejounte Murray and Marcus Smart? Are we really worried about these guys shooting pull up jumpers? Makes no fucking sense to me.
     
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