Science Is Neil trying to increase value or is he actually screwing this up?

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by Natebishop3, Aug 5, 2021.

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Is Neil playing mind games or is he actually a moron?

  1. He's playing mind games to increase value

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  2. He's a moron

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I'm curious where the board sits on this one.

    Are all these reports about CJ about Neil trying to increase value, or is he really fucking this up?
     
  2. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    I don't think he's deliberately trying to do anything. All the leaks are coming from outside Portland. Even Fischer admitted that the Siakam/CJ stuff is what everyone around the league were discussing.
     
  3. B-Roy

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    Fischer is more connected to the Raptors FO, from what I've seen/heard. He's actually QUITE plugged in to many behind the scenes aspects of the Raptors and regularly goes into Raptors related Greenrooms to discuss them (more so than other teams). Some stuff that hasn't been reported too publicly are things like how the Raptors liked Barnes more than Suggs, or how the Raps had a choice between Achiuwa and Herro and chose Achiuwa, or how Masai really loves his African players more than others...

    So it wouldn't surprise me if the CJ/Siakam rumors come with more of a Toronto slant. Like maybe Masai offered Siakam for CJ and a few picks and that is why Portland was not interested in continuing the conversation.

    But it's probably equally true that Olshey overvalues CJ and wouldn't deal him for anything less than a rip-off type deal. There is enough noise on that front to make it believable.
     
  4. Ed O

    Ed O Administrator Staff Member Administrator

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    I don't think we know what's really real... if we're getting offered nothing but garbage contracts and future picks, it'd be hard to justify that (since it would hurt us in the near term, which is the thing we do NOT want to do while Dame is here).

    It doesn't seem to me that it's clear there are GOOD trades to be made out there, so I can't blame him for his inability to trade CJ (other than how much we paid him in the first place, which is NO's fault, of course).
     
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  5. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru spent money on booze broads boats wasted rest

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    I read in here that Fischer say's, a matter of factly, that Neil doesnt want to trade CJ, then I see Fischer state, Portland and Toronto have had discussions about CJ/Siakam?
     
  6. Strenuus

    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Lmao in 20 minutes its already:

    Smart: 0

    Moron: 11


    When you know, you know.
     
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    Any time "He's a moron" is an option with regard to Neil, Imma select that one.
     
  8. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    If you don't like the offer, you continue the conversation and make a counter offer. True or not, that citation made it sound like Neil slammed the door in their faces because he can't part with his Precious.

     
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    I am having a hard time believing that Masai would trade Siakam for CJ.
    If you were him would you? So this puts doubt in my mind.
     
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    Not necessarily. Frameworks get talked about multiple times before real trades are made.

    But I don't like that the initial apprehension came from our side.
     
  11. RR7

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    That's kind of where I'm at on this as well.
     
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    Only a moron would actually bake a cake this long.
     
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    Olshey's history on CJ should erase some of the doubt

    and I don't see where it was said to be just a one-for-one trade that was discussed. Just that Portland had a real high value of CJ and were the ones that killed the dialog. Ujiri doesn't have the same reputation as Morey...or Olshey...when it comes to setting crazy value for his players; at least not that I'm aware of
     
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    This tweet just took on new meaning.
     
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    NEIL IS GETTING FIRRRRED!

    Lol
     
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    This was before he left for Tokyo, when the Abbott "report" came out and Dame denied it publically.

    Initially I just thought it was he wanted to compete for a title. Now I'm thinking it makes more sense it's him wanting Neil fired.:banghead2:
     
  17. Fez Forthright

    Fez Forthright スーパーバッド Zero Cool

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    The two who voted mind games - explain yourself
     
  18. blazedanugz

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    Wait I’m so confused.
    Was there a report Neil might just be trying to increase value?
    Is there a report he might get fired?
     
  19. theprunetang

    theprunetang Bow down before Simons; basketball Jesus.

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    Neil is playing interdimensional 9D Chess. It may look like he sucks now, but just wait until we trade Dame for Lonzo Ball and win the whole thing.
     
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  20. riverman

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    poll lacks choices....I don't think either thing applies...he's not a moron and he's not playing mind games...he's scrambling to survive and keep his job..I couldn't vote given the choices
     

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