Is our defense better?

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  1. e_blazer

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    I don't think you can look at pre-season results as indicative of anything regarding the Blazers' defensive capabilities. The system is too new and way too many minutes were devoted to playing guys who either are no longer on the roster or will hardly sniff playing time in the regular season. There's little doubt that the Blazers' defense will be better. With the change in personnel in the second unit, a coach who is making D a point of emphasis, and the leaders of the team all buying in on improving, it would be impossible for the defense not to improve over last year's miserable showing. That said, I also think that there's little doubt that the offense will fall off from last year's top level. Billups wants more ball movement to create better shots. That inherently means a slower pace, likely higher turnover volumes, and perhaps too often the open guy being someone who isn't as likely to make the open shot as Dame or CJ are. So, the real question to me is will the net rating between a drop in offense and an improvement in defense result in an overall improvement for the team. Results to be determined.
     
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    last season, Portland averaged 1.27 points/shot; Dame averaged 1.45 points/shot (Kanter 1.44; Zeller 1.39; Powell 1.31; Nurkic 1.27; Simons 1.25; CJ 1.22; Nance 1.20; RoCo 1.17)

    if the result of the offense is to get more touches for everybody else and fewer touches for Dame, the offense will invariably suffer. I know both Billups and Dame have talked about running more off-ball action for him. That's fine in theory. But the reality is a team needs good facilitators/passers to make that work. The Warriors run a lot of off-ball action for Curry, but they have had Draymond & Iggy & Linvingston & Durant as trigger-men. Portland has nobody with those kind of consistent passing skills
     
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    Pretty sure none of these matter to Billups.

    He would argue the points per shot would improve in his system because those players would be getting better shots, easier shots, in better spots, with less pressure and possibly defensive leakouts. He would also say that if they know they’re getting shots they’re more likely to get in rhythm. He said this damn near word for word in one of his interviews.

    The Cavs used Nance “kinda” like Draymond for Garland, although not nearly as good or as effective.

    But using the Warriors is a weird example. Plenty of other teams, like the shitty ass Cavs, find ways to take players off the ball without having someone like Durant, Igoudala or Draymond.
     
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    I was just going to agree with this, then I remembered we saw a TON more turnovers as well.
     
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    How is that working out for the Cavs?
     
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    I'm not buying much of that. And I'm not sure what it is you think I said, but one thing I didn't say is that Portland couldn't take Dame off the ball. Of course they can.

    I'm just saying I have no confidence taking Dame off the ball is going to yield a better offense. And while Billups may believe his offense will yield better results, I'll point out he has less than a year of coaching experience at any level. And he'll be trying to improve an offense that averaged 1.18 points/possession last year, which was 2nd in the league and I believe was the 2nd best mark in NBA history. Portland's offense was not the problem
     
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    Look up Darius Garlands numbers with Nance and you can see for yourself. That’s why I specifically mentioned Garland by name in the post.
     
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    I said the Cavs.
     
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    If it takes 40 games for the Blazers to learn Billups’ defensive system, it’s way too complicated.
     
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    half of that is unlearning bad habits.
     
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    Well the turnovers I'd attribute to the guys trying to force plays to see if that certain passing angles will work or not. I'm not terribly worried about the turnovers because it means they're taking chances and learning the offense.
     
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    Don’t tell that to the guys on here when it applies to Westbrook.
     
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    It only takes 10 games to learn Billups’ defense, the other 30 are to unlearn Stotts’.
     
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    The half court defense was much better. Our transition defense was horrible.

    We shot 12-35 from 3
    Fast break points were 20-2
     
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    I think you're spot-on. Also, Curry has been playing off ball basically since entering the league, when he was paired with Monte Ellis.

    Dame has been a ball-dominant pick-and-roll point guard since high school. At no point in his career has he played off ball. Except at the Olympics, I guess, where he completely disappeared. It's just not something he's ever really done, unlike Curry.

    I'm pretty skeptical about asking a 30 year All NBA point guard to completely overhaul his playing style and expecting him to succeed and be happy about it. It can happen--Jason Kidd did it. But it's a tall order.

    Portland has small speedbump of over-relying on Dame on offense, and a monumental crater of a problem on defense.

    We had a historically bad defense and a historically good offense. Let's focus on fixing the historically bad thing.
     
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    way-too-early-premature-not-relevant-sample-size-results so far

    * last year's historically bad Blazer defense gave up 1.160 points/possession

    * this year's 1st game defense gave up 1.183 points/possession
     
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    are you able to do a first half vs second half for last nights game? We seemed to look much better in the second half.
    Me love you long time if you can/do. ;)
     
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    Thanks! Thats awesome.
    The links and info i mean. Not the game stats. Lol.
    I think we can turn this into a quality defensive team. It only takes one small mistake to make a possession look awful on D even if most of it was great.
    I think there is a good chance we can be a top 15 defensive team aNd if we can stay in the top 5 offensively, we may just have a chance at a deep playoff run.
    Trade Ben for cj:
    Top 5 defensively, top 15 offensively. can be a contending team for a ring.
     
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    Dame going get his shots but last night he just didn't put it down. If would made some of his three he would be right there on his scoring average.
     

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