Is the bloom off the Rose?

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  1. Shooter

    Shooter Unanimously Great

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    Forget our first-round loss against Phoenix. I'm actually more concerned about the long-term future of this team. It seems to me that a lot of questions were answered this year, and none of the answers are very encouraging:

    Oden (whom we thought would lead us to several titles) is terribly injury-prone and may never have much of a career. He just may be the second coming of Sam Bowie, as painful as that is.

    Aldridge (like the tin man in the Wizard of Oz) simply has no heart.

    Roy, despite his brilliance, has more limitations than we realized. Four years into his career, he is still way too tentative at the start of games, and seems reluctant to take charge. We may have already seen the best of his game.

    Fernandez, Webster, and Bayless all have serious limitations. I don't see any of them ever becoming a major piece of the puzzle.

    Batum still has a nice upside, and may eventually become a star. Time will tell.

    Miller, Camby, and Howard are solid, seasoned pros, but all of them are on the downside of their careers. If we don't win a title in the next two years, they probably won't be around for it.

    In short, it's a grim picture, compared to what we thought we had in this team. I hope I'm wrong. I hope Oden comes back strong and has a great career, and Aldrige learns how to play a power game, and Roy keeps getting better and better.

    I hope, I hope, I hope . . .
     
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    I mostly agree with you. The long range optimism is gone. I'd be happy if Roy just got back to his normal self, and improved his defense, so I don't see him as someone holding us back. Should be an interesting offseason, but even there I am not overly optimistic, we don't seem to be in a position to add free agents, don't have a high draft pick and don't have many good assets to trade.
     
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    I felt the same this year, that Roy had peaked. I hope I'm wrong but I think we know what we're getting out of him for the rest of his career.

    I have mixed feelings on both Fernandez and Bayless. There was that one point toward the end of the first quarter last night when J Rich tweaked his leg after getting off to that ferocious start. It seemed to throw him off a little and Portland came down on offense and J was guarding Roy on the wing. Bayless had the ball above the top of the key and was pounding the ball and I was literally shouting at the TV to pass to Roy so he could attack the injured man. The ball went a different direction. I know it's only one play but it was a microcosm of the Blazers' and particularly Bayless' decision making. Roy should have been demanding the ball and wasn't. Bayless should have sent it over immediately and didn't.

    We were so sick of the Jail blazers and wanted nice guys. Here we've got them, but they're too nice to play NBA ball.
     
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    Yep. Bayless seems pretty clueless about how to distribute the ball. You can literally see the confusion on his face when he's dribbling around the top of the key. Nothing about the point guard position seems to come naturally to him. Roy is WAY too content to let things fall apart. It's a part of his game that I've never understood. The Blazers will go cold from the field, and everything will break down, and yet Roy will still stand around and watch instead of taking things in his own hands. It's not the style of play you expect from the best player on your team.

    I don't see it quite that way. Nice guys can still be tough and very competitive. Our guys seem to lack the latter qualities.
     
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    No. We would be a top 3 team in the west with a healthy Camby, Roy, and Batum. If we also have a healthy Oden, we move to the top.
     
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    Wheels Is That A Challenge?!?!1! Staff Member Global Moderator

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    let me answer not right after a playoff loss.
     
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    None of these guys are core players and any of them can be replaced with similar, if not better productivity, in the 1st round of the draft. Management needs to stop considering one-dimensional bench players as core guys.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    You really think the way this team operates on offense is top 3 worthy? I mean I guess it's possible that they just had too many setbacks due to injury, but even if they were to post a top 3 record in the west I have serious doubts about their ability to go far in the playoffs ... they remind of Dallas in that respect: jumper happy, not exactly a physical team but with more isos and less player movement.

    If nothing significant changes over the summer this will once again be a really nice regular season team, but will not in my opinion be a dominant playoff team with the way they play on offense (and defense for that matter).
     
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    Agreed. Phoenix was the only team that was healtheir than OKC this year - and the seperation between the two of us was still not much. If (and it's a huge if) we can ever get through a season in reasonable health, we're right where we thought we'd be. We definitely have to improve our offensive schemes, but the cheap points alone that Oden would have offered in this series would have gone a long way in masking our lousy offensive sets.
     
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    Blazer fans seems to have amnesia from the start of the season. The Blazers were brutal on defense with Oden and a healthy Roy. Missing Batum wasn't the reason the team defense stunk.

    And remember how Nate utilized Oden on the block and ran all those great plays for him? Yea me neither.
     
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    Hell no! What we did this season with all these injuries was incredible- if we had a normal Roy, Phoenix would have been dead and we probably would have run over San Antonio as well. Next year, as a healthy team, we are stacked with talent. Aldridge/Camby/Oden is a great front line- always a great defender in the center and I think Oden gives us our post play. I'm happy with Batum/Webster at the 3- both are good defenders and Batum has potential star quality. Brandon Roy is a top 10 player in the league and has heart to boot. Miller has proven himself at the point.

    So, we're left with just a few holes to fill- some backups, maybe some more offense off the bench. Lets see what the Blazers do.
     
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    First Miller was rendered completely effective by a Grant Hill, who has about 20 screws in his ankle.

    BRoy as a top 10 talent is stretching it. Maybe 10 - 20.
     
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    I wouldn't go quite that far, but I'm pretty close.

    People need to get some perspective here. With our superstar shooting guard out for over half a series and playing like a mediocre role player when he was in, a gimpy starting small forward and center, they still took the Suns to six games.

    Batum with basically one arm still contained Nash last nights as well as anyone has all season. Imagine if he were healthy enough that we had the luxury to put him on Nash for the entire series. Unfortunately, we just couldn't do it because fighting through all those screens would have killed his shoulder.

    And does anybody really think Jason Richardson would look like such a stud on offense if he was constantly getting his ass handed to him on the other end by Roy in peak form? He basically didn't cover anybody all series. You tell an offensive-minded guy like him that he can just coast all game long on the other end, and he's going to have a field day.

    I'm completely convinced that if Roy and Batum are 100% for this series, we win in 5 games. And we stand a decent chance of getting to the WCF.

    Add in Oden, who was coming into form this year with a 23 PER. Add in that Miller will finally be used correctly from the beginning of the season. Add in Camby as our backup center for a full year.

    It was an amazingly hard luck season for injuries this year. It won't always be like this. I'm excited as hell about next season and the team we'll be able to put on the court.
     
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    Do you think they would have given Miller THAT much attention with a healthy Roy?
     
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    Young teams don't win right away. This isn't exactly unusual. Back away from the ledge.
     
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    Even with a healthy Roy we would have still seen the Suns load up on the ball handler (Miller or Roy) and dared the outlet man to beat them with a long jumpshot ... something neither Roy or Miller are particularly adept at. Besides it's not that hard to nullify a team that runs as many isos and stand-still offense as the Blazers run.
     
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    This isn't a young team anymore.
     
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    1. The team really never got to see the starting lineup as intended. Oden was injured before Miller became a full time starter. It may or may not have mattered. I would have at least liked to have seen them and make the judgement myself.

    2. When the team figures out that they need to quit trying to make Bayless into a PG and play him as a SG, we will move forward in a positive fashion. Go get a PG, and let Bayless be a scorer. That is what he is. Develope his jump shot to make him lethal will pay huge dividends. It is the only thing holding his game as a SG back.

    3. Lamarcus Aldridge is not a #2 scorer. He is an above average role player. Our only hope with the lineup as is, is that Greg is healthy and steps into that #2 scorer guy spot, or KP or whoever is in charge, goes out and gets somebody.

    4. If they do not get Brandon some more help, he is going to just get beat to hell again and this pattern will repeat. I talked about this last year. If Roy does not get some help, he is going to be like Dwayne Wade. Beat all to hell trying to carry a team every year, and not getting anywhere but 1 and done.
     
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    Roy
    Aldridge
    Rudy
    Bayless
    Batum
    Webster
    Cunningham

    7 players right there that played meaningful minutes last night that are young, not too mention the best two players just finished only their 4th season in the NBA. It's not usual to come in and start reeling off championships or getting deep into the playoffs like it's nothing, especially in the western conference.

    Last year they were beascailly the youngest team in the NBA and got to game 6, not bad.
    This year they got to game 6 after being decimated by injuries before and during the playoffs, not bad.

    Let's see what an experienced and healthy team can do before we trade everyone away, ok?
     
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    I'm talking more about the full court pressing they threw at Miller with Hill.
     

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