Now I realize that when longevity comes into play that Steve Nash hasn't been playing at this level of greatness like Magic, Stockton, etc. did for the majority of their careers, BUT what we're seeing right now is Nash at his best and it makes me beg the question....is their a better PG to ever play the position? I don't want to hear the arguments of "he's got talent around him", because all great players (minus KG) have had great talent around them......the only thing he really can't do is defend well, but when it comes to running an offense he might be the best to ever do it.....leave your thoughts.
I saw stockton play plenty and I've never seen him at the level that Nash is at right now....Stockton wasn't as good offensively....
I don't think the question's worded properly. I got the impression that you weren't asking if he is the best PG, but if he is the best at running an offense. I wouldn't be able to answer that though, because i haven't seen enough of the old-school players.
^^^I guess you could say that.... EDIT I've never seen anyone control the tempo of a game like he can...and I mean NEVER......
Better PG's: Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Walt Frazier, Oscar Robertson, Isiah Thomas, Bob Cousy, Nate Archibald, and Gary Payton definitely come to mind over Steve Nash.
Yea, I got to say the same thing as Chutney, I haven't seen much of Stockton or Magic to really do a good comparison. I do think Nash is a great pg though. <div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Better PG's: Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Walt Frazier, Oscar Robertson, Isiah Thomas, Bob Cousy, Nate Archibald, and Gary Payton definitely come to mind over Steve Nash.</div> How do you compare Nash & Cousy? Cousy may be better than Nash is his prime or vice versa, but I've seen so little of the guy except like one half court shot. Cousy retired in 63, his prime years were probably around 55-60 Are you 62 years old and have been following Cousy since you were 10-15, and have watched Nash these past few years? And can compensate for era differences? Further explanation would be good.
Nash may not be a good defender, but like Mark Jackson has said, "I'll take great offense over defense anyday." Really, how many baskets do you think lock-down defenders actually save each game? 2 maybe 3. Establishing momentum on offense so that players have the confidence to play good team defense is more important. Great offense leads to good defense.
<div class="quote_poster">Omarion Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea, I got to say the same thing as Chutney, I haven't seen much of Stockton or Magic to really do a good comparison. I do think Nash is a great pg though. How do you compare Nash & Cousy? Cousy may be better than Nash is his prime or vice versa, but I've seen so little of the guy except like one half court shot. Cousy retired in 63, his prime years were probably around 55-60 Are you 62 years old and have been following Cousy since you were 10-15, and have watched Nash these past few years? And can compensate for era differences? Further explanation would be good. </div> Well the thread title is: "Is there anyone who has played the position any better?" And I gave many better PG's. You don't necessarily have to follow their careers in order to know they are better. As a student of the game, I realized what they did throughout their careers and all of them have done more than Steve Nash. <div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nash may not be a good defender, but like Mark Jackson has said, "I'll take great offense over defense anyday." Really, how many baskets do you think lock-down defenders actually save each game? 2 maybe 3. Establishing momentum on offense so that players have the confidence to play good team defense is more important. Great offense leads to good defense.</div> Huh? Do you really think the presence of a lock-down defender is that miniscule? Basically what your saying a good defender isn't useful in the NBA. I honestly don't know what to say, man. I really don't.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well the thread title is: "Is there anyone who has played the position any better?" And I gave many better PG's. You don't necessarily have to follow their careers in order to know they are better. As a student of the game, I realized what they did throughout their careers and all of them have done more than Steve Nash. </div> I'm not talking career wise...
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not talking career wise...</div> What do you mean then?
^^^Yeah, PGs run the offense and I've never seen someone run an offense like Nash is doing right now...
You guys treat Stockton like a god, never impressed me when I watched him. Isiah Thomas cant touch Nash as a pure PG Nash would murder Cousy, and Payton
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He means, has there ever been a PG who could run an offense as good as Nash is doing right now.</div> Oh lol. Kidd, Magic, Stockton, and I would say Isiah too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Location: Kobe's Nuts</div> so you're in a colorado hotel room???...ahh never mind, back to the topic I seriously don't see how someone could take Kidd over the current Nash....I've seen Kidd contained, especially when other teams slow it down in the half court offense.
<div class="quote_poster">AirJordan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You guys treat Stockton like a god, never impressed me when I watched him. Isiah Thomas cant touch Nash as a pure PG Nash would murder Cousy, and Payton</div> How can't you be impressed with the NBA's all-time leader in assists? Stockton just understood how to play the game. He was a MUCH better defender and could light it up as well as Nash, maybe even better. I also thought he was just more fluent as a PG. And ultimately his playmaking abilities got him further in his career. Isn't Stockton Nash's icon? I thought I read it/heard it somewhere. Isiah wasn't as "pass first" as Nash, but that's because the Pistons relied on his scoring more. Running the offense also includes scoring too. I really don't know how to respond on Nash would murder Cousy, one of the leauge's greatest players in history. And while we're at it, what do you mean by murder? Outplay? I doubt it. Payton in his prime could shut down Nash and disrupt the offense. I would say Payton was a better player since he was more complete the way he balanced scoring, defending, and passing. Nash might be considered better at running the offense, but GP was the better player and slightly worse as a playmaker.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He was a MUCH better defender and could light it up as well as Nash, maybe even better.</div> Stock can't light it up like Nash. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nash might be considered better at running the offense, but GP was the better player and slightly worse as a playmaker. </div> My PG = needs to be a playmaker, that's why I say Nash > Payton
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">so you're in a colorado hotel room???...ahh never mind, back to the topic I seriously don't see how someone could take Kidd over the current Nash....I've seen Kidd contained, especially when other teams slow it down in the half court offense.</div> I have also seen Nash contained, but in terms of point guard skills and "running the offense", Kidd has thrived in a variety of environments: Dallas, Phoenix, New Jersey, proving that he knows how to carry a team.
