Regardless of the abortion debate, how can be so morally devoid to just put a living thing in a plastic bag, leaving it to suffocate and maybe drown on the after birth first. That's why we need to adopt my abortion policy. Begin allowing adoption to single parents and gay couples who are capable. Ban abortion. Make the emergency contraception pill cheaper, more widely available, and more widely known about. Ban abortion. This type of thing is sickening, and is murder imo.
If she delivered a live baby girl it is murder. It was alive. As for the second post, that is part of the problem with america, everybody thinks that everybody should live by their rules, and that makes it right. It's not. I do not want to live by your rules, and you don't want to live by mine. So how about butting out of peoples lives, and letting them live how they want to.
I'm for letting people live their lives how they want to, but I'm sure the babies that get murdered by abortion would like to live their lives the way they want to too. I'm sure get a spoon shoved in their head, put in a plastic bag, or dropped in a bucket of acid isn't how they would want to live their lives.
I'm sorry, but it took 23 weeks for her to decide to abort the baby? I'm pro-choice, but it's stuff like this that sometimes makes me reconsider.
I'm pro-abortion. I've always thought that women have the right to choose whether or not they want to have a baby and that all the arguments about when life begins really didn't apply. Until now. How can you argue that life has not begun AFTER delivery. OOPS, I didn't want it and throwing it in the trash is murder. If she didn't want it, they should have given it up for adoption.
The death occurred when the person cut the umbilical cord and the baby bled out. I call it a baby because if you've ever seen an ultrasound of a 20-24 week baby, there is little doubt as to what it is.
The test for me is "if the baby can live on it's own (breathing, developed organs, etc.) after leaving the womb, then it is its own living entity". Otherwise, it is just a (I know this sounds bad) parasite that lives and grows off the host mother. Realize that it wasn't that long ago that births frequently resulted in the death of the mother. If the infant can't live on it's own, then it hasn't really made it fully alive YET. I have no problem with the medical advances that allow us to care for baby's that are took weak, premature or have a problem in their early life. But given the absence of these recent advances, they would have almost certainly died. But in this day and age, if the baby comes out screaming and breathing, it is it's own living entity and I would consider that murder. And I'm pretty liberal on this subject.
That's the thing. We don't know what determines whether something is a living human being. What we do know, is that thing in the womb has 46 chromosomes and is human. So the question comes, is it alive or not? If it's alive, it's murder. But how do we know whether it is alive or not? We can't. Therefore, we cannot have abortion, because there will always be the potential for that act being murder.
Take the baby out and leave it out. See if it lives, that ought to do the trick. Most of the abortions are performed when the baby still has way too far of under developed organs that it can't survive on it's own without an incubator. If they're big and developed enough to live on their own (stolen enough strength from mama) then they are their own human. You have to have legalized abortion. If you don't we know that abortions will still happen but they will be more risky, unsafe and expensive, making it impossible for many of the people who NEED abortions (poorer people) to get them. Did you read Freakonomics? It ties legalized abortion with the reduction in crime rates, and I tend to think it has merit.
It's a tricky situation and I'm glad that I don't have to make the judgment call. I think that as a society we are better off for legal abortions, but there will always be that weird case that makes you scratch your head. Just like the lady who had octuplets made everyone say "WTF...that's wrong". We are in an age where we can "Play God". We can keep people living far past where they used to (or where they could without modern advancements in medicine). We can also keep embryos alive for a lot longer without their mother. For me, the baby is part of the mother until they become disconnected. Most of those premature babies SHOULD have died. They would have one hundred years ago. I guess I just don't feel that sense of obligation to keep people alive that weren't supposed to be in the first place. If a child is wanted, that's great. If it's unwanted, that's not so great. Until a baby has developed enough organs that it can sustain itself, it is a real human being. That's why the cutoff for abortions is at the end of the second trimester, where premature babies can be born (and survive I'm pretty sure) without any kind of intervention such as through a incubator. If babies are born earlier than that, they have pretty much zero chance of survival outside the womb because their hearts, lungs, etc. aren't developed enough. That's sort of my take on the situation. This specific case, 23 weeks in, is right on the edge of the border. However, considering that she went into labor (if that is accurate) then that means an abortion didn't happen. How they dealt with the child born from a standard birth should be considered murder. I will feel bad, because that's not the intent of anyone involved. The mother wanted an abortion, and the lab worker was oblivious. I'm sure if the doctor were there he would have objected to the treatment of the child. I have a hard time sentencing someone for murder for this situation though. I would guess a sentencing of reckless manslaughter comes through though.
abortion is murder in my view. but since its legal, this is no different and should be treated as a standard abortion. however, the method to dispose of the aborted fetus seemed not to meet the standard of care for an abortion, hence his loss of license.
