It's Lillard's defense that's holding us back

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  1. stampedehero

    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member

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    I know we are all talking about defense but what I really noticed was Dames' preference to drive rather than set up his threes. When he drove, there was no option pass to an open shooter. To me, it seemed he was not in his zone.
     
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    stampedehero Make Your Day, a Doobies Day Staff Member

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    Same fan at the Suns game last night>
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    Like Dame, he thinks he is only paid to shoot first, assist and rebound.
     
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    When you're shooting, driving (aka scoring) and passing like Dame and Steph, that's worth the money they're being paid. It's surrounding them with guys that compliment them on offense and make up for their shortcomings on defense that is one of the GM's jobs, the other would be getting a coach that puts systems around them on both ends that capitalize on their strengths. All of that has happened before in Steph's career but not in Dame's.
     
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    Thats the most sensible thing you've ever said.
     
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    I'm so glad you're done with the "Dame's getting old" thing. That was a rough time. Let's chill on that for like at least three or four years.
     
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    lol...last year it was Hezonja and Tolliver
     
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    Dame is not a good defender, but he's not nearly as bad as the OP made out. Ridiculous assertions

    Dame is a 6'2 guard. He's tasked with being the number one scoring option, and the team runs almost no offense for him other than Dame creating his own. He's also the primary playmaker and facilitator. Not only must he be the 1st option creating his own offense, he has to run the offense and create opportunities for everybody else. Oh, he's also the leader of the team

    Very few players have to carry that that level burden. Dame does, and without him Portland is a crappy lottery team. Dame isn't holding Portland back, he's doing the opposite. But yeah, let's trash Dame because he isn't Gary Payton.

    this is a stupid fucking thread
     
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    Thibs would’ve vaulted this team.

    It’s mainly the coaching :bored:
     
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    It's too late to change Lillard now. He's old and talks about how he's a superstar. He never learned versatility from experiencing different systems. This is what happens when you won't change the coach every 3-4 years. This is all on about 3 fanboys here. That's why we all have to suffer. I suspect they're Laker spies.
     
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    I believe we are 17-18 without Lillard in the lineup. Thought that was an interesting stat.

    I think Lillard has a strong case for best Blazer of all-time, but if the narrative is that he's covering up for the flaws of others, that record doesn't make much sense.
     
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    Good points and I agree entirely. The only thing I would add is that in today’s NBA, Gary Payton wouldn’t be Gary Payton. That minor hand checking BS that Dame got called for a couple of games ago? GP played so handsie on guys that you’d think they were engaged.
     
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    Bad way to guage it. different supporting casts at different times. Some were good some were bad.
     
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    Nurk needs to pick it the F up.
     
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    Payton did spend a lot of time in the NBA playing with dislocated fingers...I wonder why

    Maurice Lucas was real handsy and he had lots of finger and wrist injuries
     
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    a 35 game sample size is pretty significant though
     
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    Not my point. I am looking at more the cast we had at the time of those games. Better baromoter.
     
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    Lillard didn't miss a game till his 4th season. That's the first season of the Dame/CJ era. Seems like 34 games over 4 season should cover a lot of bases
     
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    "He never asked me to do something that he didn't fuck... do"
     
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