The more I think about Mike versus Piet., I think it's more about Pietrus taking all of Fishers minutes. To accomplish this Dunleavy would have to want to be the backup point. Fisher has to be gone, for the proper amount of Pietrus on the floor. We have one to many players with Fisher. To allow Cabarkapa to play more Fisher need to go. With Fisher gone all of these young players can play together establishing chemistry with each other. The more I think about it I'd rather see a heavy dose of Pietrus and Dunleavy together, intead of Dunleavy and Fisher. Of course this creates a problem with small point guards, but in those instances Pietrus could guard the little guys, or we could have our big points post up. This will also allow for Ellis to get a few bones once in awhile, instead of Fisher. Much like when C-Rob stood in the way of Foyle, Biedrins, and Cabarkapa last year. Fisher is standing in the way of our rotation allowing the youngsters time. Hopefully Fisher can be dealt for whatever. Mullins been talking about a veteran to sign for the final roster spot (even though I'd rather see Miles or Justin Davis), maybe it'll be Antonio Davis once he's released by the Knicks (insurance at center).
I certainly agree with you regarding minutes, but I think the whole reason Fish was brought in is so when we do make the playoffs he can provide leadership and hit some clutch shots, so hopefully we could dump him after the season, and re-up with Mickael.
I'd just rather see Pietrus becoming that impact player that we've seen from time to time, instead of the force up bad shots Fisher. Fisher does some things well, but Pietrus can be electrifying.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mylie10:</div><div class="quote_post">I'd just rather see Pietrus becoming that impact player that we've seen from time to time, instead of the force up bad shots Fisher. Fisher does some things well, but Pietrus can be electrifying.</div> Yes, but Fisher can be clutch. Is he as good as advertised? No. But he is a valuable player...I wouldn't mind seeing him back in LA.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheMegaGreg:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, but Fisher can be clutch. Is he as good as advertised? No. But he is a valuable player...I wouldn't mind seeing him back in LA.</div> And, I wouldn't mind sending him back in LA for any expiring contract I really don't mind Fisher and his game. But, for a financially strapped team like us, his 6 mils salary may be too rich to bite. Of course, the chance of us actually finding a team who will eat his 5 years 30+ mils contract for an expiring contract is basically zero, so I won't put too much hope on it. Wonder if we could have sent Fisher to Houston for James and his two years contract. I really don't think either Dunleavy or Pietrus will challenge much of Fisher's min, since Dunleavy really can only mimic PG's duty. Not only that with Dunleavy in PG slot, our team will be slower than Fisher running the club, and if that's the case, we will struggle, because we are not a good half court team. Also, if last month in last season indicated anything, Fisher won't have significant min drop, because he still played 27 mins...
You've got to wonder what Montgomery is up to, though. He's brought in several positions just in case he's got to move on either one of Pietrus, Dunleavy, Fisher or Foyle (except for Dunleavy since Mully's made it so that he's the only true small forward on the team). Good move I guess because if we brought in another small forward, both Dunleavy and Pietrus would feel threatened. Since Richardson believes that Pietrus is more of a two guard, he feels those words form Pietrus were about challenging his position as a shooting guard. I think he's trying to challenge Dunleavy. Remember, how he complained to the media two years ago? That was when Dunleavy had to step up and take the shots after Richardson couldn't connect anything. Musselman subbed in Pietrus and then Pietrus complained nobody played defense and wasn't giving him the rock. I think Piety truly wants the future of the Warriors to be Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, and Pietrus with whoever guys at the 4 and 5 spots.
Trim the roster by one over-paid point backup slash undersized two-guard backup. Move the likeable Fisher to make room for others. There are cheaper ways to go. But if we end up standing pat with this roster, we'll still be looking good.
If we did that, Ellis might have to take away some shine from Pietrus. The only option would be to play Dunleavy at backup point guard or play Aaron Miles at backup point guard. My guess is Monty likes a trim rotation of 8 or 9 men with the 9th man seeing odd minutes. I guess Biedrins/Zarko are odd men out due to a variety of reasons (one is foul prone, the other is too soft on the boards and on defense, but brings a potent offensive game and a mismatch). C: Foyle/Biedrins PF: Murphy/Diogu SF: Dunleavy/Zarko SG: Richardson/Pietrus PG: Baron Davis/Dunleavy The only problem is where the heck do we give minutes for Dunleavy to rest if there's no third guy that can handle the ball and play like a backup point? And also this means that Dunleavy plays shooting guard and Zarko plays small forward, unless we're writing Zarko out of there. I don't think we should remove him considering how efficient he was moving the ball, attacking the basket and driving on people with those big ass steps that looks like he's travelling (but he's not) and scoring within the flow. I think it's either Foyle or Murphy you have to write out of there, but there goes our best rebounders and shotblockers since neither Biedrins has the ability to stay on the floor long minutes and Diogu is unproven against real nba bodies on a nightly basis over 82 games worth. I dunno about Zarko though, he's done quite a bit off that bench and has been a key bench player all on his own, we might want to keep him despite the lack of rebounding and defense from him against faster forwards and stronger big men. Hey, we could write Dunleavy off and just make Pietrus play starter or at bench? But that doesn't solve the whole clog of big men of Murphy/Zarko/Biedrins/Diogu/Foyle.
I don't think we will trade Fisher anytime soon for number of reasons. 1. We are here to win and we need every talent we can get for the success of this season. Yes, we would love to trade Fisher for salary reason and want to make a room for young talent. But right now, Fisher is better back up PG then Dunleavy, Monta, Miles or Pietrus. 2. Nobody will give an expiring contract for back up PG who are 30 years old and making 6+ years for next 5 years. Houston would have been the best bet, but they just made a trade. Because of our need and no market value for Fisher, I think he will be here for at least a year. For the rotation, I expect Warriors to maintain similar rotation as end of last season, while Zarko and Diogu will fight for 9th man rotation... Foyle, Biedrins Murphy, Zarko, Diogu Dunleavy Richardson, Pietrus Davis, Fisher
Dunleavy's backup point if Fishers gone. Barons gonna play about 38 minutes. That leaves 10 minutes for Dunleavy to worry about running the offense. You start your normal 5. Sit Dunleavy FIRST and bring in Pietrus, especially if Baron is having to play to much d on a smaller guard. Once Baron gets winded, you bring in Dunleavy at the point to run with Mickael and J-rich. When J-Rich needs to come out you bring in Cabarkapa to guard the small forwards. If there's a really quick point who's giving our bigger guys trouble, we can stick Miles or Ellis in there. Ellis and Miles won't get enough minutes to take away from anybody, but it'll be good to have them for the little points. Our big man rotation: Murphy and Foyle start. Ike should come in first and slide Murphy over. Then bring in Biedrins for Murph. Foyle could then come back in for Ike. Then depending on matchups Monty can go in different directions. So you see, there's no need for Fish. But alas Fish will be here stealing time from the youngsters. It's OK though, because Fish isn't a bad player or a bad guy.
Why do you guys keep calling Zarko a power forward? The guy clearly is a small forward in a 6'11" frame. He plays like a small forward, therefore he's a small forward. We have enough other guys to play the 4. The only time Zarko plays the 4 is when we go small and want to run. If we can't trade Fisher this year, what makes you think it'll happen so much easier next year. Things constantly change. Nobody knew Curry would be a Knick a month ago. Who would have thought Baron would be a Warrior? Fisher is marketable, to a certain extent. Injuries occur, players fall out of favor, anything can happen. Toronto needs depth at the point and two spot. So Does Utah. If Utah makes a serious run, they might think about bringing in a veteran.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mylie10:</div><div class="quote_post">Why do you guys keep calling Zarko a power forward? The guy clearly is a small forward in a 6'11" frame. He plays like a small forward, therefore he's a small forward. We have enough other guys to play the 4. The only time Zarko plays the 4 is when we go small and want to run. </div> Because he always played 4 or even 5 for us and he basically never played 3. I would never put any 3 against him, since his defense against 3 will make Dunleavy like Artest due to lack of speed. Also, he does have a skill for 3, but he usually utilize his skill against slower 4. I don't think Monty trusts Dunleavy as back up PG, and I agree with that. Besides, Monty likes Fisher a lot, and that's why he also plays back up SG and still averaged around 27 mins with Davis in starting line up. And, of course, no team in NBA will exchange Fisher's contract for last year's contract, so it really is a moot point for this season...
I guarantee you that most of Zarkos minutes will come at the three this year. And I did see him play the three as well as the four. His defense will be as good or better than Duns. He's longer, just as fast, tougher, more agressive on offense. You basically saying that no team will take him this year, is your GUESS, nothing more, nothing less.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mylie10:</div><div class="quote_post"> You basically saying that no team will take him this year, is your GUESS, nothing more, nothing less.</div> Uh yes... Thank you for stating something obvious . Call me crazy, but I don't think anybody will take my word any more than my guess. My idea was simply based on what other teams accept/didn't accept in the past...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mylie10:</div><div class="quote_post">I guarantee you that most of Zarkos minutes will come at the three this year. And I did see him play the three as well as the four. His defense will be as good or better than Duns. He's longer, just as fast, tougher, more agressive on offense. You basically saying that no team will take him this year, is your GUESS, nothing more, nothing less.</div> I think you are a little confused. Zarko mostly comes in as a PF, but when he plays, he does not play in the post; he plays out on the perimeter and 3pt line. He also has the versatility to dribble and drive to the hoop. He is similar to Murphy. Murphy is listed as a PF, but his game is mostly from the perimiter. Murphy even jacks up some 3's. He is not a SF, but his game is similiar to a SF except for one large exception; he can not drive to the hole very efficiently whereas Zarko can. I think that is why you think Zarko is a SF.
With Diogu, Foyle, Biedrins, and Murphy, this year, Zarko will play the three spot. I watched every game last year accept a few that were not televised. I know who plays where, there's no confusion. Murphy plays the perimeter on offense, but clearly rebounds like a big man, ie power forward/center. No confusion! Zarko is a long small forward. He's not a back to the basket, post up banger, on either end of the floor. You'll see! Kwan, no doubt I've got mad respect for your knowledge on contracts and monies (accountant?). But you did say "NO team in NBA will exchange Fisher's contract for last years contract, so it's really a MOOT POINT for this season..." That's kind of stating it as fact, not opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mylie10:</div><div class="quote_post">With Diogu, Foyle, Biedrins, and Murphy, this year, Zarko will play the three spot. I watched every game last year accept a few that were not televised. I know who plays where, there's no confusion. Murphy plays the perimeter on offense, but clearly rebounds like a big man, ie power forward/center. No confusion! Zarko is a long small forward. He's not a back to the basket, post up banger, on either end of the floor. You'll see! Kwan, no doubt I've got mad respect for your knowledge on contracts and monies (accountant?). But you did say "NO team in NBA will exchange Fisher's contract for last years contract, so it's really a MOOT POINT for this season..." That's kind of stating it as fact, not opinion.</div> He may have to play the 3 spot this year when he comes in, but I guess what I was saying was that when he came in last year, it was as a 4...
You could have Amare play center, but is he a center? Is Garnett a center? Because he could play there. They put Jalen Rose and Paul Pierce at the 3 from time to time, but they're both 2 guards. I think many of you call Zarko a power forward because of his length. I look at what the guy does to determine what he is. He can play the four, but not POWER forward.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mylie10:</div><div class="quote_post">You could have Amare play center, but is he a center? Is Garnett a center? Because he could play there. They put Jalen Rose and Paul Pierce at the 3 from time to time, but they're both 2 guards. I think many of you call Zarko a power forward because of his length. I look at what the guy does to determine what he is. He can play the four, but not POWER forward.</div> Position doesnt really matter. Just put the best 5 man team on the court.
