Jackson traded to the Bobcats for Bell, Radmanovic

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  1. Zhone

    Zhone JBB JustBBall Member

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    Actually read about this going down last night, but here's the confirmation from a reputable news source:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...lug=ys-jacksontrade111609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

    Probably the best combination of short contracts we could get to start anew:

    Bell has this year and $5 million left on his contract.
    Radman has 2 years at over $6 million per

    We also gave up Acie Law who was expiring.

    Bell has a partially torn ligament in his wrist but is playing through it, or at least was. Maybe he'll change his mind? Decent player, but way up in his years.

    Radmanovic is on the downside of his career as well, but you know Nellie will always use those 3 point shooting big men, sigh.
     
  2. CohanHater

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    Sounds like Buyout bait? :dunno:
     
  3. HiRez

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    If they could buy out Radmanovich that would be ideal because I'm not a huge fan of his game but at least Jackson is gone and there will be major salary relief. Technically VM has a player option for next year but I don't see anyone giving him nearly $7M so he may be inclined to take it. Although if he's looking for security someone may offer his a longer contract for less per year.

    Anyway, glad to see Jackson banished to Charlotte and playing for Larry Brown. That should make for some good entertainment over the next few years. If Jackson is the franchise-saving stud he makes himself out to be, he'll have the chance to prove it all right.
     
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    Great trade. SJax did not fit here any more. Last year, he did a nice job of expanding his ball-handling because there were no playmakers, but I think he got "D-Fish" in the brain and started thinking that he could be "the man." Well, what we see is a rash of sloppy turnovers and ill-advised shots. He's going to be better in Charlotte because Diaw is the one who makes the key decisions.

    Here, we get to start over at least, with expiring contracts. Maybe Riley is not so bad after all.
     
  5. Doctor Kajita

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    Really great trade. Yeah, the return talent isn't quid pro quo, but we get rid of:

    A) Sjax's HORRIBLE contract
    B) Sjax's attitude
    C) Sjax's selfish play

    What more can you ask for?
     
  6. Zhone

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    Yeah, I'm personally glad the trade went down because it was really just disappointing to even watch the Warriors with Sjax still around. I have been a fan for a long time but I can honestly say that this situation plus all the Mullin stuff previously combined to make this season feel like the worst that it's ever been.

    It sucks for Riley because all he's done is been trying to fix past mistakes, and there's no way he can fix all of them, there's just too many. I'm honestly still worried about Ellis and believe that right now is the best chance to get value for him and move on, but there's just no real chance that he'll get moved, financially for the team - there's no star drawing power if he goes - or financially for other teams, because almost every other team who's in the dumps (other than us, mainly because of the Maggette signing, sigh) is saving to try to nail one of the big names this summer.
     
  7. i hate the warriors

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    why would charlotte take jackson when they have to know he's going to be just as whiny over there??? oh well, fuckit, he's gone...good riddance.
     
  8. Run BJM

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    Good move. Surprised we got the cap relief that we did. Sucks that Bell is injured because we actually need him with Jack/Azu gone, I understand that he can play through his injury but who knows how much its affecting his play. I like that pick up even though hes past his prime. Rad is a lazy, whiny, and soft but he might get his act together knowing his contract is coming up soon and take advantage of Nellie's system. At this point I'm not going to be crying if he gets all of Mikki Moore's minutes since hes just as bad on the glass. Though there's a good chance he takes AR's minutes. :sigh:

    Is Bell tradable by the all-star break again? If so we could package him with Speedy and have over 10 mil in expiring contract to move (plus Watson, Moore, and George all make 1 mil plus change in expiring). Can any of you capologists calculate what our cap would look like after this season if we let all those guys expire?
     
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    BTW kinda sucks that we moved Acie. I liked what I saw from him. He played pretty solid defense, pushed the ball fairly well, made some decent passes. Realistically hes probably not as good as CJ Watson but I liked him better because CJ just pisses me off.

    Does this move mean we'll see a lot more of Curry with the ball in his hands? Monta obviously is going to be the man but Curry seems to be the defacto #2 guy now. Azu is gone for a while it seems, AR has no go-to move, Morrow isn't a guy who creates with the ball in his hands tremendously well, Bell and Rad don't help in that regard either.

    WTF is our new starting unit going to be without Azu and Jack, not to mention AB, Turiaf, Wright?
     
  10. jason bourne

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    Yup. I agree. I'm glad we got rid of SJax.

    However, if you take a step back to look at the forest and the overall scheme of things, this deal completes the MDJ and Troy Murphy deal with Indiana. We ended up with a trip to the playoffs, a We Believe t-shirt and a back to start ticket with a crummier management than before and one of the worst owners in the NBA. Oh well, that's Warriors basketball for ya :ghoti:.

    Charlotte could wait and then trade Jackson to Cleveland for a better deal. He's too costly for a team trying to shed payroll.
     
  11. Run BJM

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    With LB coaching and MJ in managemant/ownership I believe they're actually trying to win lol. They've actually got some interesting talent there now; Felton, Jack, Wallace, Diaw, Chandler, Augustin, Diop, Henderson, Mohammed, Flip Murray. In the east, with LB coaching them up for defense, they could make a run at POs.
     
  12. Zhone

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    Your local Warriors capologist says,

    The future has some cap room ahead, but it's not too sunny. Expect to be about $5 million under the cap in 2010 with Bell, Claxton, George and Watson expiring, although a portion of this will be taken up by the 2010 draft picks. Another $9 million off the books in 2011 with Radmanovic and Azubuike expiring, which will basically be how much the Warriors will have to sign a free agent in that year if we don't overspend. The Warriors have their own draft picks and don't own any other teams' draft picks.

    Potential 2011 free agent list includes Pau Gasol, David West, Caron Butler and Leandro Barbosa as unrestricted free agents, plus the draft class of '07 as restricted free agents. The rest of our team will be there, Ellis, Biedrins, Curry, Randolph, Wright, Turiaf, and Maggette, plus the 2009 and 2010 draft picks. I don't foresee the Warriors being a major player in trading, since no one will want Maggette, we probably won't give up anyone else, and we won't have worthy restricted free agents of our own.
     
  13. Doctor Kajita

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    They needed scoring and Larry Brown was complaining. Good luck to that team.

    He's not tradeable for a two-month period following the trade. So, by Jan 16, he should be tradeable. Yeah, if we can package Bell in with those players you just mentioned, the W's could pick up a player(s) up to 18M committed this year for those players. Does that make sense? I'm in the camp that would rather just wait it out till next year to see what FA's will be available to us. Probably B-list FA's as all the big names will go to big markets. Sadly, the Warriors are in a big market, but the way the franchise is run makes it not.

    This will free up PT for Curry and Watson. Even though Rad is not good, it's a good position swap. We now have a "big" we can put into the 4 or 5 (for Nellie's system) instead of putting Acie Law at 3 or 4. This helps out the team as far as team basketball is concerned. It won't translate into more wins, but hopefully this will really help develop the young guys more since it's taking away all those shots Sjax took.
     
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    I use the table on this site (shameless plug?), the info updates really fast and it's easy to take a peek at other teams' situations to try to match up possible trades.

    You mentioned the expiring contracts earlier; aside from letting it expire, there's the low possibility of making a move this season, because we have $14 million of expiring contracts that some other team would love to have. But, I can't see Cohan approving that kind of salary intake given his current financial situation.
     
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    The team's books look a little cleaner with each of these dumps. I am praying that somebody buys the team soon.
     
  17. Legacy

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    Jackson should be pissed. He want to go to a championship team. :lol:

    Love this trade though, we get a team player in Bell and we lose Jackson and his attitude, jacking up shots, ballhogging, not running back on defense, etc.

    Next up: Maggette!
     
  18. Master Shake

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    Bell is gonna be a great addition. He just makes his teams better. Very little downside plus you get a solid 3-pt shooter.
     
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    Yeah, I've wanted Bell for a while. He's one of those players whose hard work makes his teammates better. He's one of the best defenders in the league, at his position. Scrappy. Tough-minded. Leadership by example. With Phoenix, they used to use him to try to lock down Kobe (as much as one could possibly do that, anyhow). It doesn't hurt that he's a solid 3-pt shooter, as well, and it doesn't hurt that he flourished in the up-tempo game of Phoenix a few years back. Everything about this guy makes him good for Nellie's system, IMO, as well as good for the young chemistry of this team.

    Radmonovic, I don't really know. The Lakers basically just tried to get rid of him, and he hasn't exactly been draining threes and hitting the glass in Charlotte. But who knows, on paper, he's everything Nellie likes. Could just be cap related, though.

    And, I agree with the earlier post, I was really starting to like what I saw from AC Law as well. Scrappy, tough, good passer, good finisher around the rim, he was the best of the rising PG bunch, IMO, over CJ Watson and Speedy Claxton. I really hope he does well in his career, just seemed like a guy easy to root for.

    Well, Jax is gone. That is good. It's pretty hard to get a clear picture of this team's future, now. Team chemistry, leadership, and individual roles will be the key focus now. Who steps up? Who gels with who? I really like the way Curry and Morrow have gelled. Curry has been finding him a lot. Hopefully that continues. Curry will like Raja, as well, who can camp on the three line to receive the drive and dish.

    I don't mind the deal at all, because at least now I won't mind watching them because I know they'll play hard. That's all I really care about. Heart. Effort. The wins will then eventually come. But I'd rather watch Morrow, Randolph, Curry, and the young guys give it all on the court every night, and learn the hard way, then watch their chemistry get pooped on by cherry pickin' Stack Jack.

    As far as Charlotte, I honestly don't think they asked around enough. What makes Rod Higgins think he can reel Jack in, if Nellie (Jack's soul brother) couldn't? YOu think Jack was unhappy when he didn't get to launch 8 threes, just wait until he doesn't even get 8 shots a night in Charlotte. He'll be all rosy for a few months, but you know Al Harrington will still be in his ear, whispering dreams of magical nights in the Garden in NY, and eventually he'll want to go there. I don't know if Charlotte even has any strip clubs for Jack to shoot up? Oh well, doesn't matter... not our problem any more!

    Go Warriors.
     
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    Here's a funny rumor I heard tonight. The Warriors and Cavs could have made a deal, but Golden State didn't want Jackson to go to a contender, so they took the Charlotte deal. Charlotte had the inside track. FU Stephen Jackson.

    Speaking of the Cavs, the other thing I heard was LeBron IS going to New York. Why? Money for one thing including the advertising deals and the Knicks can afford to spend big bucks to build around LeBron. Ok, ok, we already knew that, but the other thing is a team that can give LeBron a chance for a championship and Cleveland can't do that. Having other champions in the city helps, too. Sure, the Cavs are contenders with LeBron, but the Indians and Browns are not. That's a big reason why New York gets the nod with the Yankees and Giants. The Cavs may not be as good as last season, too, but it remains to be seen.
     

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