Do Jews in this country stand behind Israel or the Democratic Party? President Obama's treatment of the State of Israel vs. the Palestinians is shameful. If I were Bibi Netanyahu, I'd announce that settlement development is being doubled. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7076431.ece The Democratic Party is no longer a friend of the State of Israel.
Fuck Israel! They're not our friends or our allies. Israel has no qualms with running spies and agents in the United States and stealing vital secrets. They've been doing it for years.
Yeah I heard about the spy thing. Fucked up shit. Anyway, I don't think being a friend of Israel means you need to unconditionally support them 100% of the time. Sometimes going for peace in the region is the best thing you can do for Israel. Plus, in Israel, more people have a favorable view of Obama than of Bibi.
Sly, I respectfully disagree. They've been a stalwart ally for us, oftentimes doing our dirty work in the Middle East so our fingerprints weren't on it. Yes, they've spied on us and run agents (Pollard is the most notable example), but they come from a different point of view than do we. Our very existence isn't threatened every minute of every day. We don't have an entire region of wealthy, well-armed countries surrounding us who still have a declaration of war against us. They haven't used those secrets they've gained from us to hinder us; they've used them to maintain their own position. Don't bunch them in with the Chinese and Russians. Before we liberated Iraq, it was the only true democracy in the Middle East. Their goal is simply to live in peace, not dominate a region. If they wished, they have the military capability to expel or kill every single Palestinian from the West Bank and Gaza. They've bent over backward to bring a two-state solution to the former Palestine. We should support those countries whose political structures promote democracy. But getting back to the point of my post, Jews in America are among the most reliable voters (and contributors) to the Democratic Party. Jews also have a moral responsibility to support a homeland where another holocaust can't be imposed on them by their government. If the Democratic Party is going to favor the Palestinians at the expense of the Israelis, then American Jews need to make a choice.
There comes a time when we need to not bend over backwards to make Israel happy or do whatever they want for fear of the "jews" in the country revolting. That's what we've been doing for what, 50 years now? Hasn't exactly made things better over there..maybe there's another way to deal with the situation then blindly backing Israel.
Yet you take the time to click on it, read (part) of it, and comment? I think the general thought of this thread, the U.S. and Israel clash recently, is a good one. Obviously I believe Max is wrong in his partisan stance on the matter and the way he presents it, though.
If he did that to a different leader, people would praise him for it. Or rather, if a Republican president did it to another leader of an ally country, people would applaud it. Taking a hard stance with allies, whatever. But when it's done to Israel, he gets criticized for it. I say good for him. We have these demands we want met. Hem, haw. Ok, fuck it. I'm gonna go eat. You wanna work towards this, I'll be back.
In order for peace to be achieved there, both sides have to give concessions. Not just one side. Both sides. When we stop favoring one side, is when we will have a chance at the peace table. Would you trust a judge who was partial? Why should both sides trust the US to negotiate peace there if the US isn't neutral? Secondly I would point out, the President of the USA should never let a less powerful ally dictate our countries foreign policy. Ever.
You can't be serious, maxiep. Obama walks out on dinner and you're acting like he just revoked the billions of dollars we give Israel each year. If being an ally of Israel means that we stop superficially demanding that they stop building illegal settlements, then I guess we're not allies.
Our policy was exactly the same under Bush, and yet now people have a problem with it? That's the "liberal" media for you.
I don't see the big problem, maxiep. Is Israel going to stop buying warplanes from us? Are they going to stop accepting the money we give them to buy warplanes from us? Are they going to start siding with our enemies in the Middle East? If your kid misbehaves, are you going to get down on your knees and apologize to him? Or are you going to send him to the Roosevelt Room w/ no dinner? barfo
Indeed. Think of it as a public service. If no one tells the retarded people that what they are doing is retarded, they may going along believing they aren't retarded.
