Notice Joe Cronin New GM

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  1. hoopsjock

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    So you believe Jake Fischer on that, but not all the other stuff that goes against your argument?

    He said as much as half the league was interested in Norm, including multiple teams willing to give up a 1st round pick. That included New Orleans who could've absorbed his salary in the TPE they had and still been well under the tax line. But, Norm didn't want to go to New Orleans. They were actually willing to take both Norm and CJ at one point. Cleveland offered a similar package they gave up for LeVert for Norm as well, but again Norm didn't want to go there.

    This goes back to Cronin admitting they left value on the table by focusing on getting those players to a destination they wanted to go to. So no, you can't just say "CJ only had these other two offers" when CJ said he knew he was going to New Orleans two weeks before the trade and the trade was made 3 days before the deadline.

    Cronin's own words, which I'm sure you'll continue to ignore.
     
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    That was as a swapping of draft picks of the two teams involved in the trade. A third teams draft pick wasn't involved.
    I was looking for an example where a third teams' draft pick (Lakers) was option B with the sending teams' first-round draft pick from the same draft being option A.
    And why didn't Memphis get something better than two 2nd-round picks if the 2022 Lakers' 1st round pick didn't convey?
    There could end up being a huge talent discrepancy between what they expected to get and what they ended up getting.
     
  3. Wade Garrett

    Wade Garrett Exactly right.

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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy Circling the bowl.....

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    For all the Olshey bashing, many people here usually gave him way too much leeway when he would come up short on a trade. The excuse was always a, "Neil did them a solid for payback down the line." line of reasoning. Yet that payback never ever showed up down the line. The bottom line is that Neil was getting taken to the cleaners, and neither Neil or the guys fleecing him wanted to admit it. At least Cronin appears to be being honest and admitting he took less up front to open up opportunities in the off season. We might not like it, but at least it appears to be the truth. Better that than Neil pissing down our legs and telling us it's raining........
     
  5. Hoopguru

    Hoopguru spent money on booze broads boats wasted rest

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    It's going to take 2-3 years at least to shape the team for Dame time.
     
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    what did I say there?...."if you believe"

    he gave fairly specific examples of other teams making offers for CJ, so at least it's an actual gauge....again, if you believe him. He was kind of vague (from what I heard) on teams wanting Powell. I remember once he said Cleveland was interested in Powell, but that they really wanted to get bigger in the back court. And they ended up with Caris LeVert, who is definitely a lot bigger than Powell. I never heard of him saying that several team were willing to send a 1st round pick for Powell. I'd need a link for that one to accept it. And we don't know....if it's true...what else was part of the trade. Maybe it was something like Dallas wanting to trade Bertans and a 2027 protected 1st for Powell. That would have been a shittier trade than the one to the Clippers

    the stuff about trading players to preferred destinations doesn't make me happy, and I've said that before. But I also see that there might be some good-will advantage to a franchise looking out for their players in trades. I'd think players and agents would notice. If it will ever pay-off I don't know

    this discussion has run it's course. I won't change your mind and you won't change mind. Talking in circles.
     
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    yep...I haven't mentioned it (till now) but it sure hasn't escaped my notice that a couple of the guys bashing Cronin so incessantly were two of the biggest Olshey fans
     
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    Olshey fans? That is like people who are polled who think the current president is doing a good/great job.
     
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    Who was an Olshey fan?
     
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    Fairly-Hard Former Member Gone New!

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    I seriously do not recall many people who were big Olshey fans?
    I remember a few giving him credit when he did a few things right. He didn’t do everything poorly.
    But in the end most we’re happy to see him go.
     
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    I love how not bashing Olshey for everything made me (?) an Olshey fan when I've lit into him plenty of times. But then when Cronin gets here bashing him is too much, as if everyone wasn't rooting for the guy to succeed in the first place.
     
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    I have no faith in Cronin but let’s see how this goes…
     
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    Not a ton of value for any of the players we traded

    CJ to Philly for Simmons would have cost the Blazers an additional 3 firsts

    A 1st was not on the table for Norm

    BECAUSE of Neil every team in the league knew we were fucked because Jody wasn’t going to pay tax

    Also, teams knew Dame was out
     
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    Or we can play make-believe and ignore the fact that there was a week left until trade deadline. He was a rookie who got taken advantage of. Plain and simple.
     
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    Not the case, but you do you
     
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    He didn't start making the trades with more than a week out? Huh?
     
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    And do you know why he did that?
     
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    Just because the store is open till midnight doesn't mean you're not done shopping at 10am and out of there......Joe made quick work of his moves and I'd speculate he had all his contingencies laid out long before he made the deals...then he did the Ingles deal and signed G leaguers and cheap filler guys to tank....the tank was done really well losing 20 of 23 games going out....not sure what you wanted Joe to wait another week for as he knew any other deals on the table would require taking on more salary and talent which wasn't part of the plan when tanking.
     
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    The amount of people who think deals only getting better as deadlines approach, surprises me. Especially given the amount of times this franchise has had "valuable" expiring deals, didn't love the offers weeks before the deadline, only to find out there was no offer at the deadline, and the expiring deal became worthless.
     
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