Politics Jon Ossoff's $23 Million Loss Shows Dems Have No Idea How to Win in the Age of Trump

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  1. Denny Crane

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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/karen-...-to-lose-special-election-in-the-era-of-trump

    SANDY SPRINGS, Georgia—After $50 million and a congressional contest bigger than some presidential primaries, the special election in Georgia’s 6th Congressional District to replace Rep. Tom Price ended up where it began, with the Republican House seat still in Republican hands and national Democrats still looking for a way to turn the resistance to Donald Trump into a victory at the polls.

    With 81 percent reporting, former Secretary of State Karen Handel defeated Democrat Jon Ossoff 52.5 percent to 47.5 percent.

    From the moment Price announced he was leaving the seat to become President Donald Trump’s secretary of health and human services, the race to replace him was a highly nationalized, money-soaked brawl—a referendum, especially for Democrats, on the president in an affluent suburban Atlanta district he’d barely won in November.
     
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    No amount of out of state money and mainstream media promotion of this candidate was enough.

    I didn't write this headline, and the dailybeast is a left wing site.

    Finally asking the most important question (at the end):

    But after $23 million, a candidate who genuinely ignited the grassroots, and a Republican president who may or may not be (but probably is) under FBI investigation and can’t stop talking about it, the real question Democrats need to answer is: What’s it going to take to win an election in the era of Trump?
     
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    How much did the GOP spend?
     
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    Who Is Karen Handel, Winner of the Georgia Special Election? - The New York Times
    https://apple.news/A0VqK-AXTSnq1SVa9OlmZXQ

    Great spin as usual Denny. Handel did it by keeping as much distance between Trump and herself as she possibly could. That is extremely telling. Too, she barely squeaked by in a deeply red district. Yeah, we know, winning is all that matters with you, but it was a much closer race than it would have been if Trump wasn't in office. He hurt her far more than he helped her. And that's my point. Give Trump a little more time as President and the margins will grow even thinner. #winning
     
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    Hardly. She thanked Trump in her acceptance speech. He pushed for her to win.

    She won the district by more than Trump did. She isn't exactly an incumbent running unopposed.

    Turns out her strategy of linking Ossoff with Pelosi was the effective message.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/20/politics/georgia-house-results-ossoff-handel/index.html

    Handel's victory showed that even with Republicans in power, the GOP's message in recent election cycles -- focused largely on urging voters to reject House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi -- remains potent.
     
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    $50 million was spent to win a job that pays $174,000 per year.

    And yet there are people that still believe our political process is free of corruption?
     
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    Dammit, I would like to see them limited to two, two year terms in the house. Then we see how much money gets spent for that gig.
     
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    I'd rather have national initiatives, yearly nationwide ballot measures.
     
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    Not sure that's constitutional. These "representatives" are supposed to do just that.
     
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    Naw, I prefer the Representative system with the best available being selected by the people, not by the puppet masters.
    Direct voting by the people would be a disaster with all able to vote the wrong way with no effort required.
     
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    1. The constitution can be changed/improved.

    2. There was no way to conduct and tabulate such a system when the constitution was written. States have shown we can easily and accurately do that now.
     
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    Things would be simpler with less pork and backroom deasl. No way there would have been a 974 page Obamacare ballot measure.

    Also when you break things down into issues the look at things beyond parties. For right or wrong liberal California said no to gay marriage. Liberal Oregon said no to taxing corporations to pay for the poor.

    It was the citizens of Great Britain that voted to leave the EU.
     
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    I don't think that last one really supports your position.

    barfo
     
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    Two very good examples.

    Who puts this shit up for vote? Hell neither should be eligible for vote.
    Changing the meaning of a word should not be something to vote on.
    Giving a majority the opportunity to tax a minority for the benefit of the majority is ridiculous.
     
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    You know, I could go for this under one condition. Not only is the vote not secret, but everyone is forced to wear a badge that indicates which way they voted for the next 5 years or so. That way there will be some accountability for stupid decisions, and maybe a little bit of motivation to actually study an issue before voting on it.

    Alternatively, there could be an exam before voting where you would have to prove you understood the ramifications of what you were voting on. And it wouldn't be an easy exam, either. Trump wouldn't get to vote on most things.

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    not fair barfo....nobody would see you wearing your badge in your basement anyway.....you'd have to leave the house at least!
     
  20. barfo

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    C'mon, get real.

    It's not my basement, it's my mom's.

    barfo
     
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