http://realgm.com/src_wiretap.php#1100524421 Sam Smith of the Chicago Tribine is up to his old tricks once again. In this week's column Smith offers a solution to the struggling New Orleans Hornets and to Vince Carter, who is sitting out the fourth quarters in Canada lately. Smith believes that Carter's time in Toronto is over, as evidenced by the half-empty arena, but he could help revitalize the spirit in New Orleans were interest is also wavering. The Raptors, according to Smith, would get Canadian All-Star Jamal Magliore and perhaps the oft-injured Baron Davis in return, with New Orleans having lots of combination options at their disposal. 'But that team (New Orleans), among the poorest in the NBA in scoring, defense and rebounding, needs changes. And in a relatively unsophisticated basketball market, Carter's act could again sell some tickets. Playing in the West, he'll also have more freedom to shoot those fall-away 27-footers,' writes Smith. [Chicago Tribune - READ PIECE]
Vince isn't going to revitalize New Orleans, nothing short of Kobe or Garnett will be able to do that. Winning is what brings the fans back and trading their best big man and best player for Vince isn't going to accomplish that in the West.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought when Toronto was on that 4 game winning streak it was all good? Why can't Vince be with a team for the good times and the bad.
carters not getting traded new orleans would NOT trade both magloire and davis for carter carter would revitilize New Orleans.....and he'd revitilize himself. Dont forget he's the #1 vote getter in the all-star game for like the past 4 or 5 year! Not kobe, not garnett...not macgrady.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> carter would revitilize New Orleans.....and he'd revitilize himself. Dont forget he's the #1 vote getter in the all-star game for like the past 4 or 5 year! Not kobe, not garnett...not macgrady. </div> Carter was the leading vote getter due to his ability to throw it down etc etc. He rarely does that in games now. In the games I have seen, he has drove and drawn a foul about a maximum of....5 times. I have yet to see Carter throw down a dunk this season (excluding pre-season). I don't want him to get hurt and frankly, I don't care for his antics as long as the team is winning. If his attitude is detrimental and hurting the team (as it is now), I want his fragile ass out of here. But, many teams don't think he is all that either and a 4 point, 2-9 shooting game doesn't really get him respect in the eyes of NBA executives. New Orleans isn't stupid enough to trade Jamal Magloire, their only significant big man OR thier franchise player for a disgruntled star who hasn't played "franchise player" basketball since 2000-2001. Raptors fans keep saying "Vince will explode and return as a "franchise player" when he is healthy". Well, he's healthy now, isn't he? And he's playing the worse basketball I've ever seen him play. What's the excuse we're going to use now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post"> Raptors fans keep saying "Vince will explode and return as a "franchise player" when he is healthy". Well, he's healthy now, isn't he? And he's playing the worse basketball I've ever seen him play. What's the excuse we're going to use now?</div> Well he's healthy but he's not trying, he doesnt care if we win or lose, its not that he lost ability, he just doesnt care, he already wants to leave Canada. All his actions on court are fake, cheering for his team and stuff all looked fake from the beginning, he wasnt acting as his usual self. Even laughing when we're losing, he doesnt care.. thats the main reason he's playing badly
we don't need baron, just magloire. and for salary cap purposes and to round out our team maybe darryl armstrong.
I still find it amazing that these multi million dollar athletes complain about money and location and such when they are getting paid millions of dollars to PLAY A SPORT. You are putting a ball through a hoop and are geting more money in one contract than people ever see in thier entire lives. I hate it when atheltes (this is most seen in the NBA) start complaining about thier location, thier money etc etc when they are making multi-millions. Vince, you signed the contract, stick by it. When you were smiling and signing that contract in the summer of '01, did you NOT expect to have any bad seasons? Jesus christ. I t's nobody but your own fault that your value is as low as it is. Raptors fans have been through thick and thin with you and defended you even when everyone else lost faith. It's kind of hard to keep faith when the franchise player wants to get traded and has an incredibly low trade value. And the value goes lower with every "I don't care" statement and pose he omits at every Raptors game that passes. Please trade him now, I'd be happy if we just got 2 solid starters for this "superstar" but I dont think many teams are willing tto even give that much.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post"> New Orleans isn't stupid enough to trade Jamal Magloire, their only significant big man OR thier franchise player for a disgruntled star who hasn't played "franchise player" basketball since 2000-2001. </div> dont know what you call 22ppg, 5apg and 5rpg. because thats what he avg'd last year and only missed 9 games <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Raptors fans keep saying "Vince will explode and return as a "franchise player" when he is healthy". Well, he's healthy now, isn't he? And he's playing the worse basketball I've ever seen him play. What's the excuse we're going to use now?</div> see above post plzkthx :thumbsup: ps. im not sure what that dude is thinking. vince for big cat and b-diddy? why dont they just throw in 3 future first round draft picks and a hundred million dollars while at it. the deal alone he's proposing is highway robbery itself...might as well continue with the robbery. id say a fair trade is vince & donyell for magloire and 2 draft picks. thats as far as im concerned a GREAT deal. we lose 2 big contracts, doneyll is a free agent at the end of the year anyways...but might as well use him to get SOMETHING in return because we prolly wont be able to resign him. with cap space to spare, a solid front court, and draft pics, we could start rebuilding on the right foot. maybe make a move for michael redd
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> dont know what you call 22ppg, 5apg and 5rpg. because thats what he avg'd last year and only missed 9 games </div> Okay, but that still doesn't discard my original point which was that N.O won't trade Jamal or Baron for him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> see above post plzkthx </div> Vince didn't necessairly "come back to his old-self" last year. Compare last year to 2001 and you'll see what I mean. I just want him to be at the level he was at back then but I guess it's easier said than done. I don't disagree that 22, 5 and 5 are not franchise player numbers but he is capable of so much more. Sicne he was healthy last year, he should be even more confident this year and driving to the hole more since his injury is virtually gone. Instead he's taking off balance fadeaways and playing horrible.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, but that still doesn't discard my original point which was that N.O won't trade Jamal or Baron for him.</div> oh and i agree with that whole heartedly. thats a proposterous trade for NO. a laughable joke imo <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Vince didn't necessairly "come back to his old-self" last year. Compare last year to 2001 and you'll see what I mean. I just want him to be at the level he was at back then but I guess it's easier said than done. I don't disagree that 22, 5 and 5 are not franchise player numbers but he is capable of so much more. Sicne he was healthy last year, he should be even more confident this year and driving to the hole more since his injury is virtually gone. Instead he's taking off balance fadeaways and playing horrible.</div> this year he's playing horribly. last year i wouldnt say that. although he still wasnt attacking the rack the way he used to, he was still putting up great numbers. scoring in general was down in the whole league, so 22ppg was pretty decent. it seems there is no doubt that he's just not gonna go back to attacking the rack the way he used to. kinda sad
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">dont know what you call 22ppg, 5apg and 5rpg. because thats what he avg'd last year and only missed 9 games see above post plzkthx :thumbsup: ps. im not sure what that dude is thinking. vince for big cat and b-diddy? why dont they just throw in 3 future first round draft picks and a hundred million dollars while at it. the deal alone he's proposing is highway robbery itself...might as well continue with the robbery. id say a fair trade is vince & donyell for magloire and 2 draft picks. thats as far as im concerned a GREAT deal. we lose 2 big contracts, doneyll is a free agent at the end of the year anyways...but might as well use him to get SOMETHING in return because we prolly wont be able to resign him. with cap space to spare, a solid front court, and draft pics, we could start rebuilding on the right foot. maybe make a move for michael redd</div> Wouldn't that be great, but their's many more teams with more money and more cap space than us that will be doing that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Wouldn't that be great, but their's many more teams with more money and more cap space than us that will be doing that.</div> if we bought out alvin's contract, and didnt have vince or donyells contracts on the books...we could afford a big name free agent for sure. even with alvin's contract...its vince's contract thats eating up the most cap space. jalen too of course
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Carter was the leading vote getter due to his ability to throw it down etc etc. He rarely does that in games now. In the games I have seen, he has drove and drawn a foul about a maximum of....5 times. I have yet to see Carter throw down a dunk this season (excluding pre-season). I don't want him to get hurt and frankly, I don't care for his antics as long as the team is winning. If his attitude is detrimental and hurting the team (as it is now), I want his fragile ass out of here. But, many teams don't think he is all that either and a 4 point, 2-9 shooting game doesn't really get him respect in the eyes of NBA executives. New Orleans isn't stupid enough to trade Jamal Magloire, their only significant big man OR thier franchise player for a disgruntled star who hasn't played "franchise player" basketball since 2000-2001. Raptors fans keep saying "Vince will explode and return as a "franchise player" when he is healthy". Well, he's healthy now, isn't he? And he's playing the worse basketball I've ever seen him play. What's the excuse we're going to use now?</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if we bought out alvin's contract, and didnt have vince or donyells contracts on the books...we could afford a big name free agent for sure. even with alvin's contract...its vince's contract thats eating up the most cap space. jalen too of course</div> If we buy him out, his contract is still on our cap, let's if he's making 30 million for the next 4 years, $6,$7,$8 and $9 million, we can buy him out for like 19 million, but we'd have 3.8, 4.4, 5.1, and 5.7 million on our cap for the next 4 years, so buying out doesn't get you off the cap hook. Also the Organization will not buy out a contract of a player making that much, just won't happen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post"> carter would revitilize New Orleans.....and he'd revitilize himself. Dont forget he's the #1 vote getter in the all-star game for like the past 4 or 5 year! Not kobe, not garnett...not macgrady.</div> not this year he won't playing like this. People still identify with his slam dunk contest win and his dunks but sooner or later people will look at what's he done lately.
7 games into the season....he's definetely in a slump...but so's carmelo...so are alot of great players. They'll come out of it. Vince will be averaging 22 5 and 5 by the end of the year mark my words. People are just nay-sayers
Haha, og15, I missed that game. My bad. Okay, one dunk. He still should be more aggressive since he's much healthier this year.
