<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ May 3 2008, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>is the only superstar that can't score 40 points and takeover a game.What yall think?</div> In your sig isn't Pierce throwing the blood sign?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ May 3 2008, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ May 3 2008, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>is the only superstar that can't score 40 points and takeover a game.What yall think?</div> In your sig isn't Pierce throwing the blood sign? </div> He is,but he denied the allegations.
Paul Pierce is a G@nG$t@ I believe it about KG. He can't take a game over. His years in Minnesota, when they were a viable threat, show that.
its true, KG is a defender (hence the award) his scoring is a big bonus, but not enough to take a game over. PP was once good at taking over games, now he aint good either
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ May 3 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>is the only superstar that can't score 40 points and takeover a game.What yall think?</div> KG historically rarely went over 40 points in a game. During 06-07, he only had 1 40+ game, a 44 point outing. This season, KG's high is only 31! But there is also the "3 superstars" factor. Boston, which has Pierce, Allen and Garnett still only has 1 basketball. Since these guys got together, all of their season highs are much lower than prior seasons. For example, as mentioned, Garnett's Season high is 31. Allen's SH is 35, he only had 3 30+ games. Pierce's SH is 35, with 7 games of 30+. Here's their data in prior seasons: Allen had a season high of 54, with games of 44 and 16 30+ games. Pierce had a SH of 39, with 14 30+ games. Garnett had a SH of 44, with 7 30+ games. Basically, Kenny is correct, but a large part of it has to do with the team he's on right now. As long as he keeps playing with emerging PG in Rando as well as 2 superstar teammates in Pierce and Allen, chances of him exploding for 40 pts are extremely, extremely slim.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 4 2008, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ May 3 2008, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>is the only superstar that can't score 40 points and takeover a game.What yall think?</div> KG historically rarely went over 40 points in a game. During 06-07, he only had 1 40+ game, a 44 point outing. This season, KG's high is only 31! But there is also the "3 superstars" factor. Boston, which has Pierce, Allen and Garnett still only has 1 basketball. Since these guys got together, all of their season highs are much lower than prior seasons. For example, as mentioned, Garnett's Season high is 31. Allen's SH is 35, he only had 3 30+ games. Pierce's SH is 35, with 7 games of 30+. Here's their data in prior seasons: Allen had a season high of 54, with games of 44 and 16 30+ games. Pierce had a SH of 39, with 14 30+ games. Garnett had a SH of 44, with 7 30+ games. Basically, Kenny is correct, but a large part of it has to do with the team he's on right now. As long as he keeps playing with emerging PG in Rando as well as 2 superstar teammates in Pierce and Allen, chances of him exploding for 40 pts are extremely, extremely slim. </div> I don't think you really understand what Kenny is trying to say. Not that KG won't erupt for 40, but more that KG can't take over games, similar to the way Duncan, Nash, Bryant, or Lebron can.
I did, but I approached it from a different direction. Either playing under Rivers, or playing with 2 other great players makes it unlikely you'll be taking over games because there is so much emphasis on "team". When James or Bryant take over games they're thinking "Ok, I'm the best player on the team, a leader, and everyone is looking for me to step up and finish these fools off". You can't think like that in Boston. KG was never that sort of player, but he did have some monster series in 03 and 04 playoffs with the Wolves.
Kenny is correct. I don't know if hes the only one but he is a superstar who will not take over a game and/or go for 40. I think he is capable but he doesn't have the right mind set. He doesn't demand the ball on every possession, especially in crunch time. Hes too passive when he should be demanding the ball and overwhelming the defender at all costs. That fadeaway jumpshot is kind of a microcosm of his offensive game. Its his go-to shot, its a very good shot that he shoots extremely well, but ultimately when it matters thats not the shot you want to be going to. The difference between KG and Duncan is that Duncan gets the ball and dominates in the post when he knows he has to. Duncan could easily average 30 ppg if he wanted to but he plays a fantastic team game. That being said, every year in the playoffs we see him explode on teams for 30-40 points every now and then because thats what the situation calls for. KGs outward "intensity" makes me wonder if hes trying to make up for something else that he lacks. Its nice that you care about the game KG but please STFU until you at least beat the FUGGIN HAWKS. Godamn.
There is no way that Duncan could easily average 30 ppg. Team defenses would adjust. He doesn't have the stamina to post up and create that many looks down low every night for 82 games. Tim would have to take bad shots, and Popovich wouldn't allow him to do it when he is passing up looks for Parker and Ginobili, and great 3 point shooters in Finley, Barry, and Horry.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ May 4 2008, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is no way that Duncan could easily average 30 ppg. Team defenses would adjust. He doesn't have the stamina to post up and create that many looks down low every night for 82 games. Tim would have to take bad shots, and Popovich wouldn't allow him to do it when he is passing up looks for Parker and Ginobili, and great 3 point shooters in Finley, Barry, and Horry.</div> No, that's not the point. Doesn't matter how much he could average - he only needs to average enough for his team to be able to win. However, we've seen Duncan take over games, and lead his team to win by erupting with 30/40 points, all while playing good defense. We've seen it a couple times in the playoffs, this year. He has that ability, and mindset. Kevin Garnett doesn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ May 4 2008, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is no way that Duncan could easily average 30 ppg. Team defenses would adjust. He doesn't have the stamina to post up and create that many looks down low every night for 82 games. Tim would have to take bad shots, and Popovich wouldn't allow him to do it when he is passing up looks for Parker and Ginobili, and great 3 point shooters in Finley, Barry, and Horry.</div> That is exactly my point. Duncan plays within the system because its better for the team. If they didn't have that system and they just went to him constantly like Shaq in his prime then IMO he could easily average 30 ppg. Don't forget Duncan has a nice shot out to 18 feet and he doesn't need to be overly physical with his amazing use of the glass so he wouldn't wear down that fast. You're right his increased scoring would come at the cost of wins, FG%, TOs, etc. My point is that in the last 4 seasons Duncan has averaged 20.3 ppg, 18.6 ppg, 20.0 ppg, 19.3 ppg. Nice numbers but far from being considered a dominating scorer. But when the playoffs roll around, the game gets slower, defenses are tougher and teams have more time to prepare in long playoff series, then Duncan can light the other team up and dominate. KG on the other hand averages his 20 ppg but he doesn't elevate his game when he "should".
this isn't exactly an earth shattering revelation.. KG is the ultimate Robin, he does load of things great, keeps a team in it but he needs a Batman to take over in crunch time. He's been like that his entire career.. to polite to say 'fuck it I'm taking over this quarter because we're not doing anything as a team'
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ May 6 2008, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this isn't exactly an earth shattering revelation.. KG is the ultimate Robin, he does load of things great, keeps a team in it but he needs a Batman to take over in crunch time. He's been like that his entire career.. to polite to say '**** it I'm taking over this quarter because we're not doing anything as a team'</div> Exactly. That's why I was dying to see a Garnett and Kobe duo in L.A. before Boston traded for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Swish @ May 6 2008, 11:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ May 6 2008, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this isn't exactly an earth shattering revelation.. KG is the ultimate Robin, he does load of things great, keeps a team in it but he needs a Batman to take over in crunch time. He's been like that his entire career.. to polite to say '**** it I'm taking over this quarter because we're not doing anything as a team'</div> Exactly. That's why I was dying to see a Garnett and Kobe duo in L.A. before Boston traded for him. </div> that would have been a very sick Duo indeed. Bynum would have been gone, but so what in this case. Now imagine if they kept Kwame Brown and were able to dump him and change for Gasol! Gasol+KG+Kobe... Yikes! most likely though Theo's expiring contract would have brought Gasol to Boston... HUGE change as the Celtics have Paul, Ray, Al Jefferson and now Gasol! oh what could have been.. and how different it would have been for both teams.
