http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3737458 <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">No. 4 ? KOBE BRYANT For sheer talent, only MJ can outshine Kobe Bryant. Still only 26 years old, Kobe excels at nearly every aspect of the game ? creativity, shooting (especially with a game on the line), rebounding, passing, defense, rebounding, and competing. His only deficiency is his rampant narcissism, a character flaw that has had serious on- and off-court consequences. Should Kobe ever mature to the point where he can play (and live) with an abiding sense of discipline, he might conceivably challenge Jordan for the top of the heap.</div> I think AI should be on that list...
Kobe hasn't played long enough to be considered 2nd. When his career is over, or close to, then he might be considered the second best SG of all time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe hasn't played long enough to be considered 2nd. When his career is over, or close to, then he might be considered the second best SG of all time.</div> True, True but still at his age he has 3 rings
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheTruth5:</div><div class="quote_post">As many have said Ai deserves to be on that list and in my opinion Kobe is 2nd not 4th</div> I dont think it fair to put kobe up to second yet. He still has a long career ahead oh him. BTW Sam Jones won 10 championships.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheTruth5:</div><div class="quote_post">True, True but still at his age he has 3 rings</div> Yes he does, but he had Shaq by his side for all 3. I'm not going to turn this off-topic because this has been done too many times when Shaq and Kobe are mentioned in the same sentence, so I'm just going to leave it at that.
Well now that i think about this a lil longer ive realized it wuz wrong to put Kobe as 2nd hes talented but you guys are right his career isnt over and Sam Jones won 10 championships. My bad people and Bobcats i agree i dont want any shaq-kobe arguing going on either lol
I beleive by the end of his career, if he puts asside that "narcisim" he will be # 1. And I respect the pioneers of the game and all...and admittedly don't know much about any of those guys. But I think Dude is living in the past a little bit. He put MJ up because he would have been shot had he not, and Kobe up because...well...pretty much same reason. But ya AI deserves to be up there.
Not trying to stir anything up here, but what makes Kobe better than Mcgrady, and Allen Iverson aside from the rings he won by Shaquille?s side. Give Mcgrady Shaquille and say they win the three titles and Kobe does not would Mcgrady be number four on that list? In reality in there individual numbers Mcgrady actually has had a scoring title while Kobe has not, and Allen Iverson has many career accolades which would take me probably a whole paragraph to list. I think this list at this point is a bit bias do to the fact that Kobe does have these titles. I am not trying to take anything away from him. I am actually a Kobe fan, but until he rebuilds his reputation and wins something without Shaq (which I believe he very well may do) I will not consider him at any higher a level then Allen or Tracy. In fact right now I still do not think he has accomplished enough by himself to be considered better than Allen Iverson. Though not to sound like the only reason I posted here was to say that about Kobe. I honestly do not think any shooting guard in the game right now should be put on a list for the ?greatest all time? because in reality there legacies are not even beginning to be fulfilled yet. I mean putting Kobe as 4th all time at the age of 25 is like putting Penny in there after his third season in the league (look at what he is doing now). We need to wait to see what a player does in his whole career before we decide where he should be ranked in the history of the game. He may improve his case or hurt it. Only time will tell...
The rings aren't the only thing that separate Kobe and McGrady IMO. Although it's hard to compare them in the offensive part of their games, Kobe is still a step ahead of him in almost every other category. Kobe can do it all when the game is on the line, whether it would be defending the game winner or taking it. These kind of arguments are endless because in the end, it's all your own opinion. Yes Kobe is my favorite player but I'm about as non-biased as you can get as a fan, don't get me wrong. I just think Kobe is a better overall player than Tracy is. But hey, like I said that's just my opinion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">The rings aren't the only thing that separate Kobe and McGrady IMO. Although it's hard to compare them in the offensive part of their games, Kobe is still a step ahead of him in almost every other category. Kobe can do it all when the game is on the line, whether it would be defending the game winner or taking it. These kind of arguments are endless because in the end, it's all your own opinion. Yes Kobe is my favorite player but I'm about as non-biased as you can get as a fan, don't get me wrong. I just think Kobe is a better overall player than Tracy is. But hey, like I said that's just my opinion.</div> I respect your opinion and had it been a few seasons ago I would have agreed with you. However, as you saw in the Dallas series Mcgrady made huge strides in his defensive play guarding, and pretty much keeping in check Dirk a much taller player, and arguably a top five power forward in the league. Also he has proved he can get his team to the playoffs alone with the Magic doing it on several occasions while Kobe Bryant has not yet done that. I do not want to turn this in to a Tracy or Kobe thread god knows JBB has already had enough of those. Just some food for the mind...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">I respect your opinion and had it been a few seasons ago I would have agreed with you. However, as you saw in the Dallas series Mcgrady made huge strides in his defensive play guarding, and pretty much keeping in check Dirk a much taller player, and arguably a top five power forward in the league. Also he has proved he can get his team to the playoffs alone with the Magic doing it on several occasions while Kobe Bryant has not yet done that. I do not want to turn this in to a Tracy or Kobe thread god knows JBB has already had enough of those. Just some food for the mind...</div> Yea you could say that but also remember Tracy didn't make it into the playoffs all of those years, in fact his last season with the magic I think they won about 19 games?(Ithink thats correct). Also remember the lakers were very well on their way to winning a very nice amount of games until around the time rudy quit and kobe got injured. I'm not sure if you can remember but at one point deep into the season the lakers were the only team to not have lost three games in a row.
kobe no doubt is a much all-around and versatile player than tmac or other SG's. you can sense in the way he plays the intensity, the love, the passion, the competitiveness, and the greatness that is in kobe bryant. when shaq when down a few seasons back, he stepped up by ending games with triple doubles, 40plus point games, clutch shots. he welcomes every challenge that faces him with open arms and doesn't disappoint. but he is also a student of the game..learning from mistakes and experiences--i saw a video of a lakers-heat game where a wade-bryant matchup took place...sadly, dwyane blocked 2 of kobe's shot right in his face..i think kobe learns from these things and comes back with a vengeance. don't believe me? watch out for next season.
No doubt Kobe should be second and AI third.Wtf how is Sam third and Bill second on his list :S it makes no sens for me.
Could you explain WHY Kobe deserves to be second instead of just saying it without backing it up? I myself don't think he's THAT high up there yet.
a lot of negatives surround kobe, he still has to prove that he can lead this team to a playoff berth even without shaq. if he can do that, and bring the lakers up to a championship level, he can be considered second in the list. well he's on his way there--watch out for next season.
