Where does Kobe stand in a head-2-head comparison with MJ. Of course he isnt as good as MJ, but their games are very similar. How does he stack up with the great one?
Kobe is no where near Jordan. Jordan was at one point in his carrer the best offensive player, and the best defensive player in the league at the same time, Kobe never has been and never will be.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Jul 15 2007, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe is no where near Jordan. Jordan was at one point in his carrer the best offensive player, and the best defensive player in the league at the same time, Kobe never has been and never will be.</div>Took the words out of my mouth.During the mid-late 90's, Jordan was the FACE of the NBA. Kobe isn't really the face, their's a mix of guys who could be considered the "best"...(LeBron, Kobe, Wade)With Jordan, there was no disagreement.
If you look at it this way. There will be someone better than MJ. Even though he is a legend. He was great in his prime. LeBron is not in his prime right now, and he's lookin like he could be amazing. But anyways back to the topic, Jordan is not untouchable, and is amazing at the same time. Kobe could be there. He has the same potential Jordan did. He has everything Jordan had, except there is one thing he doesn't have.. the heart that Jordan had, jordan never gave up, not one play. He was amazing in that area. Not cocky, nothing, great sport. Even though Kobe is cocky, he has a right to be. He could be there, we'll see as time moves on. But right now, it's an even battle between the two. There will most likely be somebody better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junit @ Jul 16 2007, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe is more talented but not as successful.</div> :laughin1:I can't believe this..
Kobe is definitely the better perimeter shooter, but MJ was a better defender, more success, leader, etc. So Jordan is of course better. I still don't know why another topic on this was made.
Kobe isn't even a better shooter...he just tosses 30 shots a game and hopes that half of them fall in, and I'm talking about three pointers too. Sure, Kobe wows fans with his circus shots above three defenders but Jordan was much more accurate; he took his shots and made them and didn't take a shitload of three pointers because he didn't need to. When Jordan committed to a season of taking 200-250 threes or more, he hit 35% to 40% percent of them, which is definitely better than Kobe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 16 2007, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe isn't even a better shooter...he just tosses 30 shots a game and hopes that half of them fall in, and I'm talking about three pointers too. Sure, Kobe wows fans with his circus shots above three defenders but Jordan was much more accurate; he took his shots and made them and didn't take a shitload of three pointers because he didn't need to. When Jordan committed to a season of taking 200-250 threes or more, he hit 35% to 40% percent of them, which is definitely better than Kobe.</div> Dude...you sound like an idiot. Ugh...he just tosses 30 shots and they just go in...ugh..so Jordan was more accurate. LMAO Kobe was shooting 47% this season which is unbelievable. Going on amazing scoring runs, Kobe is a lot closer to Jordan than people give him credit for. His last two seasons especially were Jordan-esque. Averaging over 30 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists. Yeah, I would say so. If he had a team around him even close to Jordan's supporting cast, that would spell Championship.NBA Great Gail Goodrich has the right perspective: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6775011416791408743"Kobe is a better shooter than Michael Jordan."
Kobe Bryant is a better shooter than MJ...I dont understand how anybody can deny that. Kobe is easily one of the greatest scorers from 15 out simply from his shooting. As for MJ, most of his points in his easly career came from penetration, free throws...pure scoring skill. As he got older his shooting got alot better...but Kobe is the better shooter as far as range. MJ is the greatest ever...but that doesn't mean he was the greatest at everything...he isnt a better shooter than Kobe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (junit @ Jul 16 2007, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe is more talented but not as successful.</div>LMAO<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BuLLzDoMaIn @ Jul 16 2007, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>o god not again.. if you think kobe is better then you dont know basketball at all.</div>Once again, 100 percent agreed. I'm not even a Bulls fan, I hated the Bulls during the Jordan era (big Knicks fan and he owned the Knicks) but I'm too much of a fan of basketball to ever compare him to Kobe Bryant...Has Kobe ever got past the first round of the playoffs without Shaq? :HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (noballer07 @ Jul 16 2007, 03:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kobe isn't even a better shooter...he just tosses 30 shots a game and hopes that half of them fall in, and I'm talking about three pointers too. Sure, Kobe wows fans with his circus shots above three defenders but Jordan was much more accurate; he took his shots and made them and didn't take a shitload of three pointers because he didn't need to. When Jordan committed to a season of taking 200-250 threes or more, he hit 35% to 40% percent of them, which is definitely better than Kobe.</div>When MJ scored 31.5PPG, he averaged 22.4FGA per game. When Kobe scored 31.6PPG this season, he averaged 22.8FGA. When MJ averaged 37PPG, he took about .5 more FGA than Kobe when he scored 35PPG. MJ was averaging over 23FGA during the 2nd 3 peat, averaging less PPG than Kobe this past season.Basically, despite Kobe taking a shitload of 3pt shots, it makes up for FG % difference between MJ and himself, and it balances itself out. MJ was NOT a better shooter than Kobe. The best years MJ had as a shooter, he had a ton of offensive threats, including Pippen, who set up the offense and forced defenses to single team MJ. While Lamar is a good passer, he doesn't take much pressure off Kobe, and his role players are horrible. Thus he is much of the time double teamed and forced to take a shot. For it to go in 47% of the time is amazing. MJ was certainly a smarter scorer than Kobe is, butKobe's jumpshot is far better than MJ's ever was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nitro1118 @ Jul 16 2007, 09:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When MJ scored 31.5PPG, he averaged 22.4FGA per game. When Kobe scored 31.6PPG this season, he averaged 22.8FGA. When MJ averaged 37PPG, he took about .5 more FGA than Kobe when he scored 35PPG. MJ was averaging over 23FGA during the 2nd 3 peat, averaging less PPG than Kobe this past season.Basically, despite Kobe taking a shitload of 3pt shots, it makes up for FG % difference between MJ and himself, and it balances itself out. MJ was NOT a better shooter than Kobe. The best years MJ had as a shooter, he had a ton of offensive threats, including Pippen, who set up the offense and forced defenses to single team MJ. While Lamar is a good passer, he doesn't take much pressure off Kobe, and his role players are horrible. Thus he is much of the time double teamed and forced to take a shot. For it to go in 47% of the time is amazing. MJ was certainly a smarter scorer than Kobe is, butKobe's jumpshot is far better than MJ's ever was.</div>Even without Pippen, do you honestly think that MJ would've never got out of the first round? He had some "decent" other players, but Pippen was really the only one who contributed much, and most of those contributions came on defense...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 16 2007, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Even without Pippen, do you honestly think that MJ would've never got out of the first round? He had some "decent" other players, but Pippen was really the only one who contributed much, and most of those contributions came on defense...</div>To add to what Nitro said. Jordan never had to face a team like the Phoenix Suns in the first round. A team which is pretty much the best team in the league. Also, injuries have been a bi*ch to the Lakers, and the front office was retarded for making the Kwame Brown trade and losing Butler. Not all the FO's fault, but you can't throw it all on Kobe either.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 16 2007, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LMAOOnce again, 100 percent agreed. I'm not even a Bulls fan, I hated the Bulls during the Jordan era (big Knicks fan and he owned the Knicks) but I'm too much of a fan of basketball to ever compare him to Kobe Bryant...Has Kobe ever got past the first round of the playoffs without Shaq? :HAHAHA:</div>Has MJ ever taken average team past the 1st round
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaRdYC26 @ Jul 16 2007, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Even without Pippen, do you honestly think that MJ would've never got out of the first round? He had some "decent" other players, but Pippen was really the only one who contributed much, and most of those contributions came on defense...</div>WTF are you talking about? Nothing in my post had anything to do with the playoffs or whatever. My post was directed at noballer, not you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SirLaker @ Jul 16 2007, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To add to what Nitro said. Jordan never had to face a team like the Phoenix Suns in the first round. A team which is pretty much the best team in the league. Also, injuries have been a bi*ch to the Lakers, and the front office was retarded for making the Kwame Brown trade and losing Butler. Not all the FO's fault, but you can't throw it all on Kobe either.</div>His teams won 50 games in the regular season, so of course he had the advantage over first round opponents.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brando @ Jul 16 2007, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Has MJ ever taken average team past the 1st round </div>Yes. Jordan MADE Scottie Pippen. Without Jordan, Scottie Pippen would've been a mediocre player in the NBA, but Jordan made him a star because it freed up so many shots on offense, and Jordan's dedication on defense helped Pippen because he didn't always have to play the other teams best guard. Jordan never had Shaq. Do you know how HUGE having a "Big Man" in this ERA...it's starting to be phased out now, with more athletic forwards such as Bargnani, Dwight Howard, Bosh, and Amare, but back in the 90's you needed a Shaq, because there was Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, etc.
