He hits the game winning shot to keep our road game winning streak alive. But we can't play like this anymore, except how we did in the first quarter. I think Kobe scored like 22 points in the 4th quarter, simply amazing. Greatest player in the NBA right now hands down, shut up you LeBron Lovers, it is still Kobe's Time.
Kobe Bryant is simply the best player since Michael Jordan...not because of tonights game, but because hes the ONLY player even close to putting on a performance so "Jordan-esque". Thats what seperates Kobe from the Tmac's, the AI's, the Lebrons, the VC's. Kobe only showed why hes the best guard in the league since MJ. This isnt the first time hes done this either.. KOBE BRYANT ...32 points on (12-24) 50% shooting...9 ASSISTS and 4 Boards. 24 pts in the 4th including the GAME WINNER. He took this game over like few EVER could. Haters need to give props.
Lol this is why Kobe Bryant have haters. The thread title just names it all. I still think IVerson is a better player than Kobe not because of biasness, but because he has just did more IMO. He has won an MVP and led a team to the Finals. Also his 60 point performance was much moire impressive than Kobes game tonight. But yes Kobe deserves props, but this game doesn't make him the greatest.
Someone edit this thread, I agree 100% with Ace...this is why he has haters..don't tell the LeBron fans to shut up either, LeBron is amazing (and I hate him). I do agree though, Kobe is the best player since MJ left the league..only few people could lead their team back and take over a quarter like that...
I also agree with Ace, to say Kobe is the greatest because he played good in one game which is what the thread starter seems to be basing it on is knida dumb. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">shut up you LeBron Lovers, it is still Kobe's Time</div> That really wasn't neccesary, common man... Kobe was very clutch in this game, but he hasn't been too clutch this year, the new system should allow him to be more effective down the stretch though, but if you want to see clutch for this season, look at Ben Gordon, he leads the league in double digit 4th quarters with 18, and I think it's 19 after their last game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Someone edit this thread, I agree 100% with Ace...this is why he has haters..don't tell the LeBron fans to shut up either, LeBron is amazing (and I hate him). I do agree though, Kobe is the best player since MJ left the league..only few people could lead their team back and take over a quarter like that...</div> lol That's why it's funny when some people ask why do you all hate kobe? when they make a thread like this. If you named it Kobe is amazing or something, that wouldn't be so bad. I disagree though that Kobe is the best since MJ, I'm going to say Iverson is the best since MJ as he is the first guard since MJ to win MVP. Ben Gordan is a guy who bring their team back from a 4th quarter too, but yeah very few can do it. As A Shaq fan I admit that he can't do that no where near where as well as Kobe. Kobe, Iverson, Ben Gorden, Arenas, Wade, LeBron, Manu are IMO the only players in the league who can do that kind of thing.
^ +Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Redd and Ray Allen. Iverson can mount comebacks, but has never been known as one to ice the game, in terms of hitting the winner, but he can definately have 4th quarter explosions.
Well....let me throw my opinion in here..... "Hating" a NBA player because someone made a topic header at a newsboard praising him, is just plain foolish. I dont agree that kobe is the best, but if people woul remove their heads from other places they could see that sometimes people get overzealous in a moment and make a statement out of pure joy, which is what i took it. If you wanna look into as being a serious statement, more power to you. In my circles there are Kobe haters that cant give me 1 person who has been closer to Mike then Kobe, and there is noone right now nor has there been since 98. Iverson is great, but hes not as dynamic as kobe same with every other player in the nba and thats just the way i see it. Funny how people getting on this kid because of a meaningless subject header, taking it so personal. So i suppose jumping on these kids and adults who praise lebron for scoring 25 pts against a east team and calling him the best player in the league is ok? Make me sick to my stomach.
Kobe may be the greatest player since His Airness, but he won't top MJ. Kobe would very well be considered the best player in the league if it wasn't for his "booty call" incident.
Wow, come on. Kobe is not better than Shaq, Duncan, KG or Tim Thomas in my opinion. I know why he said the LeBron lovers. A bit harsh, but many of them don't keep things in proportion and mix up his future with what he can do now. Kobe is a great player 4th best in the league in my opinion.
SMH @ the above posts.... typical for people to downplay a great performance by the top player in the league. And argue it all you want fellas, either way you cut it....it was AN AMAZING MJ LIKE PERFORMANCE. "Kobe may be the greatest player since His Airness, but he won't top MJ." Typical response in a "Kobe/MJ debate" which this IS NOT. So its pointless. And like i said, in my opinion...NOONE is capable of doing that such as Kobe, This isint mr Bryants first barbecue. Lastly... hearing people say "thats why people hate kobe, cause of this" ....so i be justified by hating lebron because the majority of espn and nba officials are praising this kids every move and hoping he exceeds everyone else for marketing purposes?..... or should i be my own man and respect Lebrons game for what it is,<u> not what people portray it as?????????</u>....
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Tim Thomas </div> Definately the #1 player in the leauge, he's proven himself time and time again, and has been doing his thing for a while now. He's still fairly young too, TT!! <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">SMH @ the above posts.... typical for people to downplay a great performance by the top player in the league. And argue it all you want fellas, either way you cut it....it was AN AMAZING MJ LIKE PERFORMANCE</div> I don't think that has anything to do with it, no one said it wasn't amazing, it's just a little premature to have a thread saying Kobe is the greatest because he had a very clutch game. It was definately a very impressive performance though, but I will say that McGrady, Pierce, Vince, Arenas, Wade, and Ben Gordon could all put up similar performances offensively to this, and have done it too.
Yeah, og15 has a point. McGrady against the Spurs?? That performance is still untouchable in my opinion. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Definately the #1 player in the leauge, he's proven himself time and time again, and has been doing his thing for a while now. He's still fairly young too, TT!!</div> Well, that's a no-brainer. The question is: Is he the #1 player in history? He definitely gets my vote.
The only person even being close to as clutch as kobe, would be Peirce. Not considering Reggie. My whole point is, its funny how people cheapin what kobe did by saying "oh hes the greatest ever" AND "well this was better, or that was better" ....WTH does that have to do with anything that happend tonight? PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK with posts like these on both sides everytime kobe does something WORTH admiring. Instead of saying "yea that was nice" you get "oh its not better then (enter name here)" or "ive seen better". Bottom line, it hurts peoples "post Cred" when all they do is this sort of thing. Its plain stupid in my veiw. As for Tim Thomas.... he looks like Beetlejuice from howard stern.
HAHAHAH you are right about TT looking like Beetle Juice Honestly, not to spark a Tmac-Kobe debate...that 13 pt comeback is better than any comeback Kobe has led, but it doesn't make Tmac the more clutch player and it doesn't equal all the clutch shots Kobe has hit. I am 100% sure Tracy will never do it again.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMKfromTPL:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe Bryant is simply the best player since Michael Jordan...not because of tonights game, but because hes the ONLY player even close to putting on a performance so "Jordan-esque". Thats what seperates Kobe from the Tmac's, the AI's, the Lebrons, the VC's. Kobe only showed why hes the best guard in the league since MJ. This isnt the first time hes done this either.. KOBE BRYANT ...32 points on (12-24) 50% shooting...9 ASSISTS and 4 Boards. 24 pts in the 4th including the GAME WINNER. He took this game over like few EVER could. Haters need to give props.</div> That's a joke, you can't say he's the best since jordan cuz he droped 21 points in 4th. there is other player who can do that too. and to be considered the best you have to make the players around you betta, and kobe haven't done that yet since shaq got traded. He only got three rings because of shaq. look now he's struggling to make the playoff. He's putting up big numbers in term of scoring. but scoring dosen't make you the best, just aske t-mac, he dropped from 40 to 62 points and still didn't make the playoff last year . Kobe never dropped 60 points in his life plus he's a ballhog. he might be the most talented but not the best. t-mac is 10 times better than kobe. 30 seconds 13 points that's sick u gotta admit that kobe lovers. all the players above can defenitly take a game over on any quarter. oh remember when vc took the game over in the 3rd quarter when they played the lakers in lose angles. i mean any of those players can do that. allen iverson droped 20 points against miluakee. so get ur stuff together man. [red]* Easy on the profanity. -Mel[/red]
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DMKfromTPL:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe Bryant is simply the best player since Michael Jordan...not because of tonights game, but because hes the ONLY player even close to putting on a performance so "Jordan-esque". Thats what seperates Kobe from the Tmac's, the AI's, the Lebrons, the VC's. Kobe only showed why hes the best guard in the league since MJ. This isnt the first time hes done this either.. KOBE BRYANT ...32 points on (12-24) 50% shooting...9 ASSISTS and 4 Boards. 24 pts in the 4th including the GAME WINNER. He took this game over like few EVER could. Haters need to give props.</div> That's a joke, you can't say he's the best since jordan cuz he droped 21 points in 4th. there is other player who can do that too. and to be considered the best you have to make the players around you betta, and kobe haven't done that yet since shaq got traded. He only got three rings because of shaq. look now he's struggling to make the playoff. He's putting up big numbers in term of scoring. but scoring dosen't make you the best, just aske t-mac, he dropped from 40 to 62 points and still didn't make the playoff last year . Kobe never dropped 60 points in his life plus he's a ballhog. he might be the most talented but not the best. t-mac is 10 times better than kobe. 30 seconds 13 points that's sick u gotta admit that kobe lovers. all the players above can defenitly take a game over on any quarter. oh remember when vc took the game over in the 3rd quarter when they played the lakers in lose angles. i mean any of those players can do that. allen iverson droped 20 points against miluakee. so come on man be real
^don't need some of that hateration brah. I'm a huge TMac fan, but i don't believe he's better than Kobe. You've got to be ignorant to think that Kobe <u>can't</u> drop 60. I remember when he dropped 56 in just 3 quarters in memphis and sat out the whole 4th quarter, easily could've topped 60 that night, maybe even 70 if he had gotten real hot. Or how about when he dropped 40+ points at a half? I agree that this thread is a bit premature, considering Kobe has not showed in the 4th quarter as much as he usually does in the previous years overall, but to say he doesn't make his teammates better <u>at all</u> is just pure ignorance, not to mention the fact that you said TMac is 10 times better made me laugh, and trust me, I'm a bigger TMac fan than you can imagine.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VC #15:</div><div class="quote_post">That's a joke, you can't say he's the best since jordan cuz he droped 21 points in 4th. there is other player who can do that too. and to be considered the best you have to make the players around you betta, and kobe haven't done that yet since shaq got traded.</div> That is not a very good arguement. Caron, Lamar, and Mihm are all shooting career high FG%'s. Chucky, Caron, and Mihm are all averaging career high in PPG. Just because the Lakers aren't winning doesn't mean he hasn't made his teammates better, they have switched offenses in the middle of the season, teams don't normally do that..so of course they are going to struggle. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He only got three rings because of shaq. look now he's struggling to make the playoff.</div> Ignorance at its finest. Shaq would of never got those rings without Kobe. Shaq may of led them in the finals, but Kobe wasn't non-existant. Before they became teammates, tell me one simple thing...how many rings did Shaq win? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He's putting up big numbers in term of scoring. but scoring dosen't make you the best, just aske t-mac, he dropped from 40 to 62 points and still didn't make the playoff last year . Kobe never dropped 60 points in his life plus he's a ballhog.</div> Are you kidding me...because he has never dropped 60 makes him not as good as Tmac? That is a joke. Do you remember two years ago when Kobe went on that little tear...of 9 games of 40 straight, averaged 40 ppg the whole month of February...yea, Tmac would never be able to do that. Kobe could of easily dropped 60 atleast 3 times that year, but Phil Jackson sat him to decrease his chance of getting injured. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">he might be the most talented but not the best. t-mac is 10 times better than kobe. 30 seconds 13 points that's sick u gotta admit that kobe lovers.</div> It is sick, but Tmac will never do that again. All of Kobe's clutch moments together are better than that one time. And how do you figure Tmac is 10 times better? Kobe has 3 rings, he has been on an All defense team 5 years in a row I believe, he is a lot more clutch than Tmac, and he plays 110% ever god damn minute of the game, something Tmac doesn't do. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">all the players above can defenitly take a game over on any quarter. oh remember when vc took the game over in the 3rd quarter when they played the lakers in lose angles. i mean any of those players can do that. allen iverson droped 20 points against miluakee. so get ur **** together man.</div> No, you get your act together. First of all, cursing is against JBB guidelines, any more of it will warrant a warning. Second of all, the thread starter is not just basing this thread off of one game. Since MJ retired, there has not been a player who could take over a game and be as consistent and clutch as Kobe (Iverson is not that clutch, he can bring his team back, but he can't get the game winners).
I think the above 2 posts cleared up that middle school nonsense of a argument. "(Iverson is not that clutch, he can bring his team back, but he can't get the game winners)." ^^ If im not mistaken, didnt he hit his 1ST game winner of his career...THIS YEAR? Kobe averages 28+,6+,6+ if im not mistaken....and if you look at my first post, i said kobe is the best since mike NOT JUST because of last nights game, but because Kobe has done that before and its RARE to see anyone single hanidly take over a must win game like that. Kobe scored 42pts in the first half of a game against the wizards(same team tmac torched for 62) Kobe dropped 56pts a career high and didnt even play the 4th qtr against the Griz one year... Kobe made a NBA RECORD 12- 3 pointers in a game against Seattle. Dont even be ignorent enough to ever mention TMac and Kobe in the same breath, 2 different players...Tmac is a scorer NOTHING MORE. As for the "Streak" ....i still dare anyone on the planet to try and downplay kobe's 9 straight 40+point streak....13 games in a row with atleast 35+ pts ....ONLY WILT CHAMBERLAIN DID IT BETTER...Kobe tied mike jordan in the 9 straight and tied wilt with the 13 straight, mind you these were against PRO teams....have any idea how phenominal that is?? I dont care what anyone says, thats one oft he most dynamic records ever especially in this era, scoring 40 pts is great...some great players have NEVER even had a 40 pt game...let alone 9 straight! and mark my words...THAT WILL NEVER BE DONE AGAIN. As for shaq the reason for LA winning those rings?.... did you even watch any of the playoff games? any of the finals games? Kobe single handidly saved LA in the pacers series and others. Not to mention CLUTCH shots from horry and harper and shaw....SMH. Never did i say kobe was the best because of last night, i know basketball i know its history and its plain ignorent to say Kobe, or Lebron or AI or shaq or anyone is the greatest ever.... In my opinion, Mike Jordan is the single greatest bball player i ever seen, and there are countless others you can make an argument for (Bird,Magic,Wilt,Russell, Kareem etc.) Making this topic into the usual "Kobe against the world" is going OFF TOPIC and should either get back on topic or get locked.
