As you all know by now Kobe has stepped back from his demand to be traded after having an "emotional" talk with Phil Jackson. He still wants to be a Laker.Now to the Jermaine O'Neal rumor, Peter Vescey(sp?) has reported JO to the Lakers within the next few weeks. Vescey is often full of sh*t with his rumors, but why do I have a feeling this one is legit?He didn't mention any actual details of the trade. Obviously LO and Bynum are probably included.
I would hate to give up both Lamar AND Bynum for JO(and probably some fillers?) but we have to keep Kobe here. Kobe wants the team to be aggressive. A move like this would show him that.
I'd like to see if the Lakers even pursue JO, if they do I would try to work out Lamar Odom+1st round pick+Kwame type deal. I even think that trade would fit salaries although the Pacers arent getting a whole lot in the deal. The Lakers really dont have much to trade other then kobe, I cant see how they'll land a big name player besides free agency but ill think they'll try if they want to keep kobe.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PrimeTime @ May 31 2007, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to see if the Lakers even pursue JO, if they do I would try to work out Lamar Odom+1st round pick+Kwame type deal. I even think that trade would fit salaries although the Pacers arent getting a whole lot in the deal. The Lakers really dont have much to trade other then kobe, I cant see how they'll land a big name player besides free agency but ill think they'll try if they want to keep kobe.</div> I agree. With the players the Lakers have, I don't see all these fantasy trades happening. If Lamar Odom was healthy and not having surgery, maybe I could see it, but any team trading a star player like Jermaine O'Neal for Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum will have some explaining to do because I don't think fans would be too happy.
I still don't see how Odom and Bynum for JO is bad for the Lakers, as Lakers fans generally seem to think.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Young Legend @ May 31 2007, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As you all know by now Kobe has stepped back from his demand to be traded after having an "emotional" talk with Phil Jackson. He still wants to be a Laker.Now to the Jermaine O'Neal rumor, Peter Vescey(sp?) has reported JO to the Lakers within the next few weeks. Vescey is often full of sh*t with his rumors, but why do I have a feeling this one is legit?He didn't mention any actual details of the trade. Obviously LO and Bynum are probably included.</div>Peter Vescey reported the Antoine Walker back to Boston trade before it happened, but other than that, he has had zero credibility. For everything Vescey says that turns out to be true, there are 10 more instances where he bullshitted. Also, I'm sure you saw the RealGM report of Kobe once again saying he wants out, last night.This needs to end, it has been 1 day and I'm already sick of it.
RealGM is a joke.Vescey and them should hook up, they would make a good couple. IMOI heard that Chris Broussard said something on Mike and Mike in the morning about the JO trade, and the Lakers trying to get Ron Artest as well. Pretty crazy.
if this trade goes down, then the Lakers are pretty smart, cause obviously they would be getting the best out of this deal.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Young Legend @ May 31 2007, 11:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vescey and them should hook up, they would make a good couple. IMOI heard that Chris Broussard said something on Mike and Mike in the morning about the JO trade, and the Lakers trying to get Ron Artest as well. Pretty crazy.</div> You call Vescey a joke, which he is, but then you give credibility to Chris Broussard on Mike and Mike? Broussard got the JO rumor FROM Vescey and the Artest talk is long overdue.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>RealGM is a joke.</div>For NBA news and rumors, they aren't really a joke at all. And they posted something from the LA Times, so I don't get why you said this. Yesterday morning, Kobe wanted out... nothing they could do to change it. Yesterday afternoon, Kobe wanted to be a Laker for life. Last night, Kobe still wants to be traded.
I don't know but is Jermaine O'Neal that much better than Lamar Odom where he puts the Lakers over the top? I just don't see any significance in that move. Lakers need to do more than that to be better.
I must admit, adding a couple better role players around Kobe would be much more effective than simply having Kobe and another player hog that teams salary cap.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 31 2007, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't know but is Jermaine O'Neal that much better than Lamar Odom where he puts the Lakers over the top? I just don't see any significance in that move. Lakers need to do more than that to be better.</div>Jermaine O'neal anchored a team that made it to the finals, adding a talent like Kobe would be a great pair, also Jermaine O'neal is a much more valuable asset then Odom mainly because he can be a first option. Also considering if the Lakers were to get him they would have gone from Kwame Brown to a perennial allstar PF which is a major upgrade. Luke Walton is becoming good enough that even if they didnt sign a great sf in free agency or draft they could pan out. The Lakers are also in desperate need of a pg, even if they get JO if they dont get a great pg I dont see them becoming a contender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Jermaine O'neal anchored a team that made it to the finals, adding a talent like Kobe would be a great pair, also Jermaine O'neal is a much more valuable asset then Odom mainly because he can be a first option. Also considering if the Lakers were to get him they would have gone from Kwame Brown to a perennial allstar PF which is a major upgrade. Luke Walton is becoming good enough that even if they didnt sign a great sf in free agency or draft they could pan out. The Lakers are also in desperate need of a pg, even if they get JO if they dont get a great pg I dont see them becoming a contender.</div>The lineup the Lakers went with last year, Odom played PF and Kwame played center with Walton at SF. And I see O'Neal is more talented but I just don't see that as much of a stepping stone towards being a top team in the NBA. I think your last statement agrees with my last.Lakers need to do more than that to be better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 31 2007, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The lineup the Lakers went with last year, Odom played PF and Kwame played center with Walton at SF. And I see O'Neal is more talented but I just don't see that as much of a stepping stone towards being a top team in the NBA. I think your last statement agrees with my last.Lakers need to do more than that to be better.</div>I agree they need to do more then get JO but getting JO would be a very nice start to building a contender this year. If they got JO today for Odom+pick+fillers I would call them a 50 win team today but not championship level. By all means though, if the Lakers want to improve, go after Jermaine O'neal.
I would be very mad if the Pacers did this trade, the GS trade was a huge ripoff, our GMs (Bird and Walsh) need to think. Lamar Odom is not a franchise player, and Bynum is way too hyped, and the first round pick is worthless, and Kwame would just cause more locker room problems. We need to get some real value for JO, I think Boston has some of the best options, so I would be in favor of trading JO to the beantown.
Ive read a rumor where the Lakers get Murphy also...but that was a worthless rumor cause Pacers didnt even get Bynum...Pacers got raped. BUT, if the Laker did get Murphy(a double double guy) along with Oneal, the Lakers might be in business.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (austingriz @ May 31 2007, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ive read a rumor where the Lakers get Murphy also...but that was a worthless rumor cause Pacers didnt even get Bynum...Pacers got raped. BUT, if the Laker did get Murphy(a double double guy) along with Oneal, the Lakers might be in business.</div>Murphy has a trade clause I believe where he can't be traded with another player from his team
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would be very mad if the Pacers did this trade, the GS trade was a huge ripoff</div>Didn't you argue that trade for so long in favor of Indiana?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rok @ May 31 2007, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't you argue that trade for so long in favor of Indiana?</div>Like 3 days, when I was being stupid
