Is this related to the rumor that the Rangers are taking Cally back to free up cap space for TB to get Karlsson? Getting Kucher
I don't post on NY RANGER topics but when you acquire a Russian:I like: Because they like to brawl...
Johnson has a NTC, but there is NO SHOT Kuch is getting moved...NONE. We make take Cally for a sweetener, but TB can make it work from there. We get an advantage if they win the cup since we'd get their 1st rounder in the 2019 draft, but that is not enough. We'd need to be 100% sure that Cally's 5.8 mill cap hit doesn't hinder us next summer/season (it isn't an issue this season). And we also need to be mindful that we'll have to go through TB for a few years as we get good, so helping them stock up might not be ideal. I'd also add, I guess Karlsson is taking a no state income tax in Florida big discount. If you look at the cap hits on that team it is a huge edge. Hedman, Stamkos, McDonagh all took less. They get a huge edge down there, and credit to Stevie Y for playing that to his advantage,
Cally's tank just about empty AND he will miss 2 months of this season (if not more) AND we will be giving TB a ridiculous team to try and win a cup (good for this coming season since we'll suck and TB winning means we get their 1st). We need to realize after this coming season we'll have to contend with TB AND Cally's 5.8 cap hit better not hinder us at all next summer AND we better get a very good piece to help facilitate this. Otherwise I will start to really wonder if Gorton is Y's bi*ch.
Unless Tampa gives us a 1st rounder or elite prospect to go along with Cali, why would Rangers do it? For assurance that Tampa will win next year? That is so dumb.
Sounds like deal might be done. If Gorton's facilitated this for almost nothing and took awful Cally contract I will be pissed. We better get a solid asset here.
If we're getting a 2020 1st or top prospect for taking Callahan they may as well throw in Girardi if needed and add something else. Ottawa may get TBs 1st in the deal but we should at least get a 2nd and/or solid prospect.
Wierd how a realizable source said it was a done deal... now reports are denied. I could see TB trading Gourde and pick/prospects to Ottawa and the Rangers getting Ryan and Callahan
I get this team will stink next year but if they are taking 2 horrible contracts they better be getting some great young talent back.
They are not taking Ryan and Cally, not worried about that. And TB cannot deal Ottawa their 2019 1st because they already dealt it to us if they win the cup in 2019. So best they could do is their 2020 1st. Sure we'll hear today.
What the hell is everyone talking about? I can't see anyway Kucherov is dealt. If we freakin take back Callahan we better be getting a right handed forward prospect like Stephens back. A kid that is close to NHL ready. Otherwise, f that.
0% chance we take on Bobby Ryan, he has 4 more years with a 7.25m hit. That's hideous. Way too much term left on that. I only would have considered that if we were also getting Karlsson, which no longer seems to be the case. Callahan for 2 more years at 5.8m is more feasible. Most of the young guys will still be on entry level contracts during that time. If we take Bobby Ryan we'd still have that hit on the books while trying to sign Chytil, Andersson, potentially Kravstov etc. after their entry level contracts expire. We can even try to squeeze in a good FA next year knowing we only have Callahan for one more year (as opposed to Ryan for 3). That said, as others have pointed out, we need to be compensated for this. Not just because we're taking on a bad contract but because we're facilitating the creation of a dream team in Tampa Bay that we're going to have to get through if we want to get back to the cup. We all saw what Karlsson did to us two years ago, and now he'll be down there for 8 more years with Stamkos and Hedman torturing us. No way I do this without it being worth our while. Here's what I would do, attempting to be realistic: To Tampa: Erik Karlsson To OTT: Tampa roster players and a pick (my guess is Tyler Johnson and Sergachev - still pissed we didnt get him in the McDonagh deal - and a 2nd next year). To NYR: Callahan, the conditional pick we got last year (2nd that turns to 1st if they win the cup) becomes locked in as a 1st (i.e., conditions removed), and one of either Taylor Raddyish or (as dump suggested) Mitchell Stephens Both Raddysh and Stephens are right shots. I'm more familiar with Raddysh, a 2nd rounder 2 years ago, who is a year younger, bigger, and a winger. I believe Stephens has spent more time in the middle. A big, right shot winger...sounds like Wahlstrom..... That's just me spitballing. The general point is that unless we come away with a 1st rounder and a high level prospect like Stephens or Raddysh, I tell Stevie Y to get lost.
I agree Prod. The one thing we do need to remember here is we aren't the only show in town to help facilitate this. I think what you proposed is very fair (I like removing the pick conditions), but who knows what TB would want to include as the sweetener. And if it isn't us I am sure some other cap space available team will facilitate. If Ottawa/TB want to get it done, cap space won't be a hold up I don't believe. I read a report this AM that the Devils could be the 3rd team. So I agree totally, and to be clear I would not do it unless we get a solid sweetener, but not sure if we have the leverage to guarantee we'll get that, and if so I'd walk and let some other team facilitate.
Sounds like Gorton is being an idiot and trying to still get Kucherov instead of simply taking pick/prospect. Kucherov would only make our draft pick out of the lottery which is a negative and he would be gone in FA by the time we're good again. Plus there's little reason for TB to give him up.
