Trade Larry Nance Jr traded to Portland

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  1. illmatic99

    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    Only in Blazer land would fans think that acquiring the 7th man signals a move to the bench for the 2nd guy.
     
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    I want him to be Jason Terry..scoring in bunches when Norm or Dame rest...I've always wanted CJ to have that role and put a better perimeter defender with the starters..we need bench scoring...he can play 30 some minutes staggered...if he can't stop opposing 2 guard with the starters...he can put up points off the bench..best case is he comes into the season having made a big leap as a two way player...
     
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    PDXFonz I’m listening!

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    I thought y’all wanted defense

     
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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    this doesn't make any sense. If you play him 30 minutes, he will still be matched up against opposing starters. By this logic, you think other bench players are playing this many minutes for CJ to matchup against?
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I want CJ to play 30 minutes....... on another team.
     
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    No...that's not what staggering means at all...and every bench player plays against starters especially if we have a lead...I'm saying his minutes don't matter...his production does. I want some offense running through Nurk with the first unit...to me..CJ is a perfect 6 man...of course he won't just play against bench players but he might be playing while superstars are taking a break more often than matching them for court time...As a 6 man he'd also be playing against starters who have tired legs while he's fresh, so there's that as well..if he's hot you play him big minutes. Also using CJ as a 6 man he would probably ask to be traded to the east where he could be an allstar and start again.....I could live with that as well...there's no downgrade in being Manu Ginobli..
     
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    I think trading CJ makes more sense now than ever. Some have mentioned getting Tobias Harris and that would be a good trade. The fact is that if there is a three way trade that brings in a star big for CJ and Nurk, that might make sense. I think CJ and RoCo for Simmons and filler actually makes us a lot better.

    With that said, I don't think that will happen so I just want to know how CJ is going to feel when he inevitably sits the bench to finish any game we have a close lead in. You have to assume our finishing lineup is Dame, Norm, RoCo, Nance and Nurk... it's actually our best and most balanced lineup period. If we're behind and need a bunch of threes then I bet we go super small ball and have Dame, CJ, Norm, RoCo and Nance. But again, our lineup for closing out games will not have CJ in it... I just don't see how it logically could.
     
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    Not a superstar but a solid pickup. Hope the Blazers aren't done yet.
     
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    Yeah, I want CJ traded, but since that won’t happen, bring his ass off the bench.

    The rest of the stuff — like I said. We have a fundamental basketball disagreement.

    I value defense. You don’t. Nothing more to talk about.

    Also, it’s not a Norm problem. It’s a team problem. A blazer problem. We are the ones choosing to play him at SF. Our choice. Not norms choice. Our choice. We brought him back with that intention. That’s on us.

    Sometimes lineups can be greater than the sum of their parts. But we have a fundamental disagreement on this so it’s ok.

    And that lineup could be top 10. But switching norm for CJ could make us top 5.
     
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    They can't be ...they have to start the season with one more player and have 2 open spots
     
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    The problem in Blazerland is that we've watched the Dame/CJ back court get torched by opponents for so long now that we're ready for a change regardless of what our GM wants. We see the change being really simple. Norm plays the 2 next to Dame... like you said a 6'3" SF doesn't make any sense. We all see a very competitive lineup with Dame, Norm, RoCo, Nance and Nurk.

    Of course with how great of an offensive weapon CJ is, it makes no sense sitting him but it might make less sense to continue to be horrible defensively. The cool thing is that we'll either see a CJ trade (keeping my fingers crossed but not holding my breath) or we'll get to see how all of these guys fit together when being coached by coach Billups aka Mr. Big Shot.
     
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    FIFY :devilwink:
     
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    The data suggests there is no Norm problem. (All from the NBA.com official 5 units stats).

    2017-2018 lineup of Dame, CJ, Harkless, Aminu, Nurkic had a Defensive Rating of 103.1 (off 111.7, net 8.5)
    2018-2019 lineup of Dame, CJ, Harkless, Aminu, Nurkic had a Defensive Rating of 108.0 (off 117.2, net 9.2)
    2020-2021 lineup of Dame, CJ, Powell, Roco, Nurkic had a Defensive Rating of 104.8 (off 118.1, net 13.4)
     
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    Yeah, but more of his minutes will come against bench guys by staggering his 30-32 minutes against backups vs starters. For simple math, if you get him 5 minutes against backups per quarter for 3 quarters thats 15 minutes against backups and 17 against starters if playing 32, more realistically it would be about 15 against bench and 21 against starters.

    Curious to see how many minutes he played against backups last year.
     
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    For those who wanted Batum back..Nance>Batum
     
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    Man. Some people are just such condescending know it alls…..
     
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    Very different players. The beauty of Batum is that he could be what the Blazer once signed Evan Turner to be. He was a forward that could run the offense. Nance is not that kind of player. He is a a PF version of Mason Plumlee.
     
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    ...we got a new coach and offense now :dunno:
     
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    Batum ran the offense fine for Ty Lue on the Clippers and did well for Portland with Nate McMillan before Terry, so put some respect on Batum's name, please, he has earned it. He has his issues, but he was a better ET than ET, frankly.

    As for running the Stotts offense - that was one of the best offensive teams in the league year in, year out, so not the kind of put down you think it is.
     

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