I think this deserves its own topic..People are always trying to say LeBron is overated, but I don't see how they can say that. Last season, he averaged over 30 points a game, and was a good team player at the same time. He showed leadersip by taking the Cavs all the way to game 7 against the playoff veteran team Pistons.This season, while his stats are down a hair scoring wise, his team is still tops in the East and the Cavs look to be a contender. So, how can you say LeBron is overated?
You can't really overrate him. When you say that he is, he blows up for a ridiculous game. Something like 30 points with a near triple-double. Just because he's not having an amazing year like last year doesn't mean that he's not who he is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Amare320 @ Jan 25 2007, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>His team is overrated, not him. :dribble:</div>Exactly. And don't give me the argument that his teammate suck, because he has better teammates now than Iverson had in Philly back in the day, McGrady had in Orlando, and Kobe had in LA since Shaq left. If every other superstar in the NBA is criticized for not "making their teammates better," LeBron should be no different... especially since he is supposedly the "King."And the Cavaliers don't look to be legitimate contenders to me... they just came off of a double-overtime loss at home to the 76ers, and made Iguodala look like LeBron out there 34 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds). Plus, Cleveland is 4-6 in their last 10 games. They need to get it together.
Lebron James is going to be overrated by people for his entire career, the media will make sure of that. LBJ is a great player and he will go down as one of the top players in NBA history, but people will always overrate his ability on the basketball court. Michael Jordan was overrated, Wilt Chamberlain was overrated, nearly every 'good guy' in NBA history has been overrated by the media. The Cavaliers have showed impressive wins over San Antonio (twice) but other than that, the rest of their schedule has been inflated. They only played a team with a winning record 15 times, and they lost 9/15 of those games.Lebron James will always be underrated, but he will also be the BEST. He's only 22 years old and he still has 3-4 years left before he hits the prime of his career. He's still extremely young and unexperienced. He needs to improve his shot selection, could use some more work on defense, he needs to make better decisions in late game situations. I expect him to improve all of those things before he hits the prime of his career. He needs to develop that 'Killer Instinct' that Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant have. Once he develops that, nobody in the world will be able to stop him.
Hmmm....In many, many ways he is overrated, but he's also underrated at the same time. He's an overrated defender, overrated at times in the clutch, and overrated by the media. I used to be a huge LeBron fan, but seeing everything he did every single night on Sportscenter and all of the NBA talk soley on him started to really make me sick.On the other hand, you can't really overate 32/7/7 that he put up last year, or that in his "down season" this year he is still putting up 27/7/7. He is a really incredible talent and extremely rare.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BigMo763 @ Jan 25 2007, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Exactly. And don't give me the argument that his teammate suck, because he has better teammates now than Iverson had in Philly back in the day, McGrady had in Orlando, and Kobe had in LA since Shaq left. If every other superstar in the NBA is criticized for not "making their teammates better," LeBron should be no different... especially since he is supposedly the "King."And the Cavaliers don't look to be legitimate contenders to me... they just came off of a double-overtime loss at home to the 76ers, and made Iguodala look like LeBron out there 34 points, 9 assists, 5 rebounds). Plus, Cleveland is 4-6 in their last 10 games. They need to get it together.</div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">WHAT?!?!?!!?!?!?!?</span> AI has never looked like LB, doesn't look like LB, and never will look like LB. If AI was SO good, then why does philly suk? Back in LB's rookie year, he had Z and that was about it. They just missed the playoffs. And Cleveland is in the toughest part of their schedule, they will get back on top. Im looking foward to 2morrow nights Cav blowout.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrownieCakes @ Jan 25 2007, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Back in LB's rookie year, he had Z and that was about it. They just missed the playoffs.</div>They also had Carlos Boozer and Darius Miles.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrownieCakes @ Jan 25 2007, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">WHAT?!?!?!!?!?!?!?</span> AI has never looked like LB, doesn't look like LB, and never will look like LB. If AI was SO good, then why does philly suk? Back in LB's rookie year, he had Z and that was about it. They just missed the playoffs. And Cleveland is in the toughest part of their schedule, they will get back on top. Im looking foward to 2morrow nights Cav blowout.</div>Lebron's supporting cast: Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jeff McInnis, Carlos Boozer, Ricky Davis (22 games) Darius Miles, Chris Mihm, Tony Battie, Kevin Ollie.Iguodala's supporting cast: Andre Miller, Rodney Carney, Samuel Dalembert, Willie Green, Kyle Korver, Joe Smith, Steven Hunter, Kevin Ollie.I guess you can make the case for either team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 25 2007, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lebron James is going to be overrated by people for his entire career, the media will make sure of that. LBJ is a great player and he will go down as one of the top players in NBA history, but people will always overrate his ability on the basketball court. Michael Jordan was overrated, Wilt Chamberlain was overrated, nearly every 'good guy' in NBA history has been overrated by the media. \</div> How has Michael Jordan been overrated? I watched MJ win titles in his prime, watched HUNDREDS of his games, I don't think he's been overrated by fans and media for what he did on the court. He's labeled the best ever for a reason...Wilt Chamberlain overrated by the media? How? Sure some fans go overboard on Jordan...but for the most part he's as great as advertized.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrownieCakes @ Jan 25 2007, 12:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">WHAT?!?!?!!?!?!?!?</span> AI has never looked like LB, doesn't look like LB, and never will look like LB. If AI was SO good, then why does philly suk? Back in LB's rookie year, he had Z and that was about it. They just missed the playoffs. And Cleveland is in the toughest part of their schedule, they will get back on top. Im looking foward to 2morrow nights Cav blowout.</div>Um, excuse me, but you do realize you just proved my point, right? Iguodala SHOULDN'T look like LeBron, but your Cavaliers played so pathetically that they MADE him look like LeBron. If it wasn't for those two late three pointers LeBron made in the final 8 seconds of the game, Iguodala would have outperformed LeBron, and that should never happen, especially since he was guarding LeBron for the majority of the game. He was able to slow LeBron down in the fourth and the two overtimes, while still being the "go-to" guy for Philly.Philly sucks because we are supposed to suck, and seeing that the Cavaliers lost at home to the second worst team in the NBA last night, I wouldn't necessarily be so sure that they are legitimate contenders. As was mentioned before, they haven't beat many quality opponents this season other than SA. They've lost 9 of their 15 games against teams over .500... yeah, they are definitely going to be a force to reckon with the way they are playing right now! If Cleveland couldn't beat the Sixers at home, why in the hell would they be able to blow them out on the road? They may win the game, but it won't be as easily as you may think. Cleveland is in a funk, and it's pathetic that you can't see that.And I'll take that Cleveland line-up that Balla posted over the line-up around Iguodala right now any day of the week. If LeBron is soooooo good, then he should be able to lead his team to bigger wins than what he has so far this year. Please... if the media and the fans want to pronounce him the King and all that crap, then he better play like one and get his teams wins like one. If you want to keep playing the "he has no help" card, then stop calling him the King, otherwise that BS needs to stop. In comparison to Iverson's 76ers, Kobe's Lakers, and T-Mac in Orlando, he has more than competent teammates around him, yet he still cannot do much damage in a weaker conference than those guys played in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><_<How has Michael Jordan been overrated? I watched MJ win titles in his prime, watched HUNDREDS of his games, I don't think he's been overrated by fans and media for what he did on the court. He's labeled the best ever for a reason...Wilt Chamberlain overrated by the media? How?</div>Considering you were 4-6 years old when Jordan was in his prime I highly doubt you have watched 'hundreds of games' Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time, and he's just as good as advertised but he was overrated at the same time. How many negative Michael Jordan games have you heard of? Not many, because the media keeps them low key.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 25 2007, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Considering you were 4-6 years old when Jordan was in his prime I highly doubt you have watched 'hundreds of games' Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time, and he's just as good as advertised but he was overrated at the same time. How many negative Michael Jordan games have you heard of? Not many, because the media keeps them low key.</div> I have watched hundreds of Bulls games. I started watching the Bulls with my dad when I was 6 years old, I never missed a game. I owned and still own 3 MJ jerseys which I wore like every day in elementary school, almost all my pictures as a kid were with my MJ jersey on...I watched his last 5 seasons in Chicago and all those playoff games...easily over a couple hundred games. Maybe not in MJ's real prime but he was so dominant near the end that there was not much of a difference. The media keeps his negative games low key? MJ didn't have many negative games, he came up big most of the time. Why would the media bring up his negative games or care? He came up huge so many times why bother with 'negative' games.
Hes having a quite season due to him being great in any other season, alot like Kobe, hes melowed out and have tried to improve his team...not his stats. No, I dont think he is.And MJ won most of his rings when he WASNT in his prime.....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The media keeps his negative games low key? MJ didn't have many negative games, he came up big most of the time. Why would the media bring up his negative games or care? He came up huge so many times why bother with 'negative' games.</div>You're not worth debating, you're not stating any facts just obvious bias towards Michael Jordan. He hasn't had many negative games but when he does nobody ever hears about them. He has missed over 26 game winning shots in his career. Fact is, Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time but he is overrated by the media.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 25 2007, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're not worth debating, you're not stating any facts just obvious bias towards Michael Jordan. He hasn't had many negative games but when he does nobody ever hears about them. He has missed over 26 game winning shots in his career. Fact is, Michael Jordan is the greatest player of all time but he is overrated by the media.</div> I'm not worth debating? Ok...Up until your '26 game winning shots missed' you had yet to post a 'fact' either. This 'debate' doesn't have to do anything with facts, it's about opinions and perception. You said he's the greatest player ever, the media thinks he's the greatest player ever, so how is he overrated? Because they don't mention the '26' times he didn't make a game winner? Who honestly gives a damn after what he did do. It's the same thing with Kobe, he's missed plently of game winners but we only remember the ones he hits, does that make him overrated? No. We know MJ and Kobe and human and miss...they are great...that doesn't mean they are overrated.
Balla, I honestly don't see where your Jordan being overrated argument is going. Jordan got 5 MVPs. He probably deserved 5-8 MVPs. Overrated? Seems like he's rated just about right. He didn't win any MVPs until he deserved them. The media didn't hail him as the best until he was the best. The media said he had bad defense until he improved his defense to all-nba level. I hate to agree with ginger jesus, but your argument does appear to be that Jordan is the best, but he's overrated because the media doesn't say "Jordan is the greatest player of all time and by the way he had some bad games sometimes and missed 26 game winners".
You have your opinion and I have mine, I think Jordan is the greatest player in history while still being overrated by the media. He had a gambling problem, he cheated on his wife, he put his teammates down and told them not to pass to Bill Cartwright late in games, nobody ever remembers those type of negative things about his career.Michael Jordan is the best player in history, and he's my favorite player of all time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BALLAHOLLIC? @ Jan 25 2007, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You have your opinion and I have mine, I think Jordan is the greatest player in history while still being overrated by the media. He had a gambling problem, he cheated on his wife, and nobody ever remembers those type of negative things about his career.</div>I'm not saying your opinion's wrong, I'm asking for a rationalle behind your opinions. The NBa likes to have a good image for itself, when Kobe retires nobody will remember the colorado incident, when Shaq retires nobody will remember that he was an intolerable a$$hole, that's not the media "overrating" somebody's game, his game has nothing to do with that he cheated on his wife. Nobody remembers that Dr. J had a tendency to punch people in the face. People have a tendency to state the good, rather than the bad.
