LeBron: Possible MVP Candidate?

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  1. jump

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    Possible MVP Candidate?

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">King James for MVP? Last week we touted LeBron James as a legit candidate for NBA Player of the Week. Over a four-game stretch that week, his line of 28 ppg and 6 apg on 51 percent shooting was as good as anyone else's in the NBA.

    This week, maybe it's time to start the MVP talk. As ridiculous as that sounds for a rookie whose team is just 10-21, hear me out a bit. For the second straight week, James was statistically one of the best players in the NBA. He averaged 26.5 ppg, 5.3 apg, 5.3 rpg and 3 spg while shooting 43 percent from the field. For those keeping track at home, James is now averaging 27 ppg, 5.6 apg, 4.5 rpg and 2.6 apg on 47 percent shooting since the Cavs traded Ricky Davis to the Celtics. His team has won four of its last six games, including big wins versus potential playoff teams like the Hornets, Sixers and Blazers.

    If the Cavs do the impossible and make the playoffs, is there anyone more worthy? Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Peja Stojakovic, Baron Davis and Shaquille O'Neal are ahead of James. Paul Pierce, Vince Carter, Allen Iverson and Jermaine O'Neal should probably be ahead as well. They all play for good teams and are putting up dominating numbers.

    But after that? Tracy McGrady? James' numbers are similar and his team has a better record. Jason Kidd? Not after he slept through the first month of the season. Zach Randolph, Michael Redd and Carmelo Anthony? Good players who will have to wait another year or two before the spotlight hits them.

    If James can keep up the pace, and his team finds a way to sneak into the playoffs in the East after dumping its leading scorer from a year ago, I think James deserves a look. At 18 years of age, he's playing a new position in a new league and he's dominating. While he still needs to cut down on the turnovers and improve that 3-point shot, he's been as good, and as important to his team, as anyone in the NBA the past two weeks. Considering I was a pretty big LeBron skeptic coming into the season, I can't get over how good this kid is.</div>

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    <font size="1">Sorry about the length of the quote, but I dont have a direct link so I had to get the point across.</font>
     
  2. TimFlem

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    Nice article. I think LeBron deserves the look but not the title. Yeah he's been playing great but face it. It's going to KG IMO
     
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    Understand that I am not a Lebron-hater, but I strongly disagree with this article.

    Lebron for MVP? This is absolutely ridiculous. He has not led his team, he has not been there in clutch time, and he has not accomplished anything. Yes, the Cavs have more wins, but they haven't improved nearly as much as the Pistons or Nets over the past couple years.

    Here is my theory; Lebron sells. Journalists write about Lebron because they know that people will read. Consequently there have been multiple articles with far-fetched ideas concerning Lebron.

    This type of nonsense is tabloid-quality. Lebron is valuable to his team, but not as valuable as Baron Davis, KG, or AI are to their respective teams.

    This is nonsense.
     
  4. jbbKing James

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">He has not led his team, he has not been there in clutch time, and he has not accomplished anything.</div>

    Then you have been living under a rock and not paying attention to what the kid has been doing. James is in the top 5 in the NBA is 4th quarter points. He scored 14 points in a row in the 4th quarter of a road win in Chicago, hit 5 3's in a road win at Phili (Cavs 2-0 against the Sixers) to give them a win there, and what about our last win againt the Blazers where LeBron dominated the entire team by himself in the 4th quarter, outscoring the Blazers by himself 12-8.

    Of course I can go on and on about what he has done, but why?

    Talk about nonsense, your comments are an embarrassment.

    PS: The article is not saying Bron for MVP, all he is saying is that since the Davis trade, that he is a sure candidate, which is a fact. Everyone knows that KG has the upper hand on everyone as of now.
     
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    You and I can argue back and forth all day trying to prove each other wrong.

    KJ, answer this question; Do you think that Lebron deserves to be MVP?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trail_Blazer76:</div><div class="quote_post">You and I can argue back and forth all day trying to prove each other wrong.

    KJ, answer this question; Do you think that Lebron deserves to be MVP?</div>

    You are getting too carried away again, not one person has said that he deserves to be, all the writer said was that he should get some attention for it. No we can't argue this, because find one person on this site that will agree with you 100% for what you said in your post above.

    You won't find one.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He has not led his team, he has not been there in clutch time, and he has not accomplished anything.</div>

    That is a joke, 100%, you are showing lots of negative emotion by bolding your words, relax. Let the others comment on this, we know where you stand.
     
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    27 ppg, 5.6 apg, 4.5 rpg, 2.6 spg since the davis trade? if he had this the whole year he would be a front-runner
     
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    Well basketball isn't a game of if's. If Rashard Lewis would have kept up his 30-something point per game average to start the season he might be a frontrunner for MVP. Fact is that he didn't, and LeBron has been doing just fine playing the way he has all season.
     
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    10. This is the number of Cavs wins this season. How can an MVP canidate's team only have 10 wins. LeBron is a good player for a rookie, better than a lot of the players in the league, but I am trying to figure out what he has done to be considered for MVP.

    Personally, I don't think that he is even Rookie of the Year. I understand that MVP is an individual honor, but how can you even be considered to win if your winning percentage is .313.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllBoutDaPacers:</div><div class="quote_post">10. This is the number of Cavs wins this season. How can an MVP canidate's team only have 10 wins. LeBron is a good player for a rookie, better than a lot of the players in the league, but I am trying to figure out what he has done to be considered for MVP.

    Personally, I don't think that he is even Rookie of the Year. I understand that MVP is an individual honor, but how can you even be considered to win if your winning percentage is .313.</div>

    Very close minded, and shows that you did not pay attention to the article either. He talked about since the Davis trade, and if he would lead the Cavs to the playoffs that he should be considered as a candidate, not the winner.

    So pay better attention.

    The Davis trade was made to make the Cavs situation a little more like the situation that Denver put Melo in, they brought in veterans (Williams, Battie, Brown) to play along side LeBron. Proven winners with positive attitudes. That trade helped the Cavs get more wins, you think that Melo is a one man show in Denver? No chance, no one player can win in this league without a supporting cast, not Melo, not Bron, not T-Mac, anybody.
     
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    Do you really think that the Cavs will make the playoffs this year? I mean seriously. I understand that you believe LeBron is God but there is no way that the Cavs will make the playoffs, even in the weak East. Right now the teams that would be in the playoffs in the East are New Jersey, Boston, Philly, Indiana, New Orleans, Detroit Milwaukee and Toronto.

    Do you honestly believe that the Cavs will catch up to any of these teams? Expecially since every good player in the league is unwilling to let LeBron outplay them in a game.

    Oh, and by the way, you are not LeBron James and you're not his mama so stop blindly protecting his honor.
     
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    Don't stereo type me, and please remove that eye sore of an avatar while you are at it. Don't judge me, I am a fan of the entire game of basketball. I have never said he was the MVP nor have said that they will go to the playoffs, but I will defend their chance. Just this week, the cavs were only 3 games out of the 8th spot, so that was not a stretch.

    Would it be right for me to call you a Pacer homer that thinks they are going to win the title? No it would not, you respect me, I respect you, or don't come into my forum.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Would it be right for me to call you a Pacer homer that thinks they are going to win the title? No it would not, you respect me, I respect you, or don't come into my forum.</div>
    Now that's what I call [​IMG] Anyway Anyone has a shot at the Playoffs in the east. Take the Magic for example they have a very slim chance of making it to the Playoffs in the east but if this was the west we would of been out a long time ago. As for as LeBron getting MVP noone here is saying that he will. We are just saying give him a look for it like the article says.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting King James:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't stereo type me, and please remove that eye sore of an avatar while you are at it.</div>

    Why are you insulting my avatar? I said nothing about any of your graphics. Let's keep this to basketball.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Would it be right for me to call you a Pacer homer that thinks they are going to win the title?</div>

    No, because my being a fan of them is based on their players, not my location. How am I being a homer, and when did I ever say they would win the title? And technically, In an earlier post I acknowledged that nobody from the east will win the title.

    Bron is great, but not a candidate. How many candidates do you think there should be? The article already listed 9 people that are/should be ahead of him. Realistically there should be about three candidates, because nobody after that has a real chance of winning.
     
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    If LeBron keeps this 2 week+ pace up, then he is, that is what the article says, you know it, I know it. That hard to understand?

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    I'm confused? Why are people saying that LeBron isn't an MVP candidate at the moment? That's not what the article said. It says IF he keeps up this play and the Cavs make the playoffs, then he deserves CONSIDERATION. It DOESN'T say that he's a candidate at the moment, or that he should be considered with a record of 10-21.

    Don't just read the title, actually read and comprehend the article people.
     
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    I cant find this article anywhere on ESPN. Hey Jump- who is the author of this article?
     
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    I think they should look at him for it.. but I dont think he will win because The Cavs haven't won enough games or close games.

    BUT I still put Lebron already in the top 12 players in the league
     
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    What I cant stand about this article is that it dismisses Melo as on of the "Good players who will have to wait another year or two before the spotlight hits them."

    This is COMPLETE BS if you ask me. What Melo has done with the Nuggets is much more impressive than what Lebron has done so far. Its an insult to melo to call him just a "good role player." This just backs up my theory that Nike & ESPN are partners in crime over the Lebron hype. $90 Million can buy you all the hype in the world, but its up to the people whether they believe it or not.

    Plus, where is the "melo for MVP" article? That would be a bit more appropriate & fair considering Melo has already lead the Nuggets to more wins by christmas than they had all of last year.
     
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    Melo had that same chance, as did every other player to steal the spotlight. Know what they did not have? The talent.

    Kills me how people think that the media and Nike just randomly picked LeBron and said "Congratulations kid! You are going to be what we use to market and make millions off of." Not the case people, they saw the talent, people wanted to see the kid, they paid the man, now look what they are getting in return. LeBron is paying off for Nike, he is having an unreal year and is the best high schooler to come into the NBA for a rookie. KG , Kobe, and Tracy, they did not even come close to what James is doing.

    As for Melo, he just had a negative month. Wade looks to have the edge for the 2nd best rookie in December, and James has been scoring about 10 more points a game than Melo the last few weeks.

    I'll let that speak for itself.
     

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