Walsh/Bird are 2 stingy punks but seriously this is the most realistic dream scenario possible. I've been harping about Jermaine for a loooong time and NOW we can get him without giving up JRich. The bad news is that we would probably have to trade all of our prospects but even with the injuries Jermaine O'Neal is a legit big man your not going to find every draft. Dump Murph, let Indy pick from Beans, Ike, Montay, Taft our first and stick Fisher on that tag. Aside from Chicago, Denver, and Boston I doubt Indy gets a better offer. Indiana is going to want to put him on the west coast. So that leaves Denver and us. Aside from Kenyon Martin, Denver doesn't really have much to offer. I guarantee they won't be trading Melo. Not to diss the Pacers but quite frankly they are an unbalanced team and not very good. They can get the most pieces to solidify that roster from us. DO YOUR JOB MULLIN AND CLOSE THE DEAL, GET JERMAINE O'NEAL!
Man... they're gonna want Ike and Monta I'd give up Beans, so that we can have O'Neal and Ike together. And they'll probably get tired of Beans fouling and poor ft shooting then we can trade a couple of second rounders to get him back in the future! Ultimate scenario would be Murpy + Dunleavy...
Hm... if Garnett is available I'd go for him and give up more. He's better than O'Neal and isn't injured all the time. And we'd be able to keep JRich since they got Ricky Davis already.
Do you have any link or source for the rumors of JO possibly being shopped? I'm not doubting you but I'm just wondering if its from legit sources, multiple sources, etc. I'm a little confused as to what your trade proposal is, obviously Murphy is in there but the Pacers only get one of Biedrins/Ike/Monta/1st round pick? Then Fisher or Pietrus would be needed as a filler? So a possible scenario could be something like Murphy, Biedrins, Fisher, 1st round pick for JO and A. Johnson? That seems to be fair for both teams, assuming Indy would shop JO because they want to re-build. I can definitely see us getting JO for our young talent and Murphy if hes being shopped but I doubt we can rip him away from Indy unless we add J-Rich.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Golden State and Indiana could not consummate a Ron Artest trade before Sacramento swooped in for No. 93. But you can bank on the Warriors and Pacers talking again this summer, if not sooner, regarding another big-name trade possibility: Jermaine O'Neal. The Warriors believe a lot of their problems, as they faded from a 12-6 start to a 12th consecutive season out of the playoffs, stem from the lack of a low-post scorer with real size. O'Neal, as a result, is said to be high on Golden State's list, with general manager Chris Mullin a natural trading partner with Indiana given his close ties to the franchise as a former Pacer. It remains to be seen whether the Pacers are indeed prepared to part with O'Neal to start over completely, but it doesn't hurt that Mullin has several young trade assets -- such as Ike Diogu (deemed off-limits in the Artest talks), Mickael Pietrus and the fast-rising Monta Ellis -- in spite of the club's postseason drought. </div> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?pa...ailydime-060419
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you have any link or source for the rumors of JO possibly being shopped? I'm not doubting you but I'm just wondering if its from legit sources, multiple sources, etc. </div> Marc Stein talked about how Golden State and Indy would be a good fit for eachother in his latest column.
This has gotta be a playoff lineoff right? I would say it is but this is the Warriors we're talking about: C - AB, Foyle PF - O'Neal (all-star), Taft SF - Dunleavy, draft pick SG - JRich (pot. all-star), MP PG - Baron (pot. all-star w/O'Neal), Fisher
Jason where is Ellis .... there is no way i would trade both Ike and Ellis and keep fisher.... that is insane you are saying murphy, ellis and ike for o'neal...... after over 35 years of being a Warrior fan ..... that would be the final straw all we need to do is get rid of Fisher and we would have won ten more games and be in the playoffs.... trading away all our young guys is ridiculous package murphy, pietrus and fisher for O'neal .....i can live with that..... and if the deal breaker is our first round pick put that in.....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting boogielew:</div><div class="quote_post">package murphy, pietrus and fisher for O'neal .....i can live with that....</div> Ya think? That would be ideal, but it'll never happen. Indy would much rather have our young, tantalizing, non-paid prospects to play around with instead of Derek "Big Cash Ball Hog" Fisher. He makes five times what Jordan ever made and he's a career 39% shooter from FG. The money in this game is fukin insane and has gotten way out of hand. D-Fish and A-Foy (cute, eh?) are proof of this. Nobody wants Fisher and that big-ass contract. Teams would rather take Calbert Cheaney than Derek Fisher. So, when discussing trades, please include Derek Fisher as a liability -- not an asset -- when evaluating the strength of our trade position.
It would hurt to give up a guy like Ike or Ellis but you have to do it if it means getting an All Star/All NBA C/PF. That is not something any of those guys will develop into. Monta will be a good player, no doubt, but I doubt he will be an Allen Iverson type player. I love him to death and could be like an Arenas type player for us, but I would rather have JO than Arenas. We have Baron and Jrich for the back court so we dont need another back court player as much as we need another front court player. As far as Ike, he too will most likely never be an All Star/All NBA type PF. He is just too small. I love him to death also, but the best we can really hope for is a poor man's Elton Brand. Even if he did develop into and Elton Brand, who would you rather have? Elton Brand or Jermain Oneil? Me personally, I would rather have JO because of his size, but it is really somewhat of a toss up. Either way I would rather keep one of those guys and throw in another player like Beans and one of our veterans for salary purposes. I could live with a line up with JO in it...
I'm with Warriorfan, Indy knows how to bargain and really its only fair if we give them one of Ike/Biedrins but I wouldnt trade Monta unless we got another young prospect back. If the decision is up to Indy they might even have trouble deciding who to take. Why take Murphy and Ike? Maybe Murphy could play center in the east or maybe they just want Murphy as a stop gap until Ike is ready, its a good idea for them rebuilding around a guy with a post game. Biedrins isnt too bad himself, hes better than any C on their roster now IMO, hes got the total package of size, speed, rebounding, shot blocking, and rarely misses within 4 feet of the hoop. Biedins himself could be a JO in 5 years, his footwork, speed, and size definitely gives him that potential. Indy has supposedly inquired about Ike before and they seem to like Harrison alot as their future center. From a Warrior standpoint, it may be an even harder decision. JO has had major injury problems lately, we'd want a good bakup to him and getting a big (even if hes undersized) with a post game is a valuable asset in the NBA. Then again, let Biedrins develop and you've got a future lineup of Baron/J-Rich/dunleavy/JO/Biedrins with Zarko, Monta, Taft, and maybe Foyle/Pietrus coming off the bench if we still have them. I'll keep my hopes low this offseason, that way I won't get too dissapointed again.
Great so we get Jermaine giving up Ellis and Ike..... so now we have two all stars in O'neal and Davis that will spend a big portion of the season on the disabled list.... that is not for me..... i dont want O'neal.... not unless the trade favors us.... biedrins possibly ..... pietrus more inclined..... i would not give up our young guys for him.....
I agree, boogie. While Indy would be foolish to do any deal without getting at least one of either Ike, Monta, or Beans, I think GS would be foolish to give up on any of those players. Therefore, I don't see any deal happening there. I think the only "good" deal for the Warriors is to find a team who will take Murphy, Dunleavy, and/or Pietrus. Like it or not, those players have trade value and I don't mind seeing them go. I'd love to see Foyle and Fisher go. If that meant giving up one of the young prospects, I guess I'd have to consider it. Foyle's contract just destroys the roster. It's that bad. What if Monta and Ike demand big $ in a few years? Sorry boys, we're already paying Fish and Foyle through like the year 2050. So if we can shed those contracts, it's worth it to consider losing a prospect in the process. But perhaps there's a playoff-team out there who is foolish enough to think that Derek Fisher will bring veteran leadership to the locker room. That would be sweet if we could just trade his a$$ straight up. Damn that would make my day! But it'll never happen.
Are you guys serious? Keep Jason Richardson and not give up ANY of the prospects? Walsh and Bird would absolutely laugh their asses of the phone. Ike is never going to be a top 10 player at his position. He's a clear upgrade over Murph but that's it. Montay will be a good combo guard but he's playing behind Baron Davis and Jason Richardson. I'd like to keep him but we're talking about a 6'11 pf with skills, height and athleticism who PRODUCES. The only one that would hurt would be Biedrins but he's a few years away and sucks at FT's. Ideally I'd like to team Jermaine and Biedrins together but these guys we got or anyone we draft will NOT be as good as Jermaine O'Neal.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting upsidedownside7:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you guys serious?... Montay will be a good combo guard but he's playing behind Baron Davis and Jason Richardson.... The only one that would hurt would be Biedrins but he's a few years away and sucks at FT's. .</div> I disagree. IMO opinion Monta has the potential to be an elite player -- ala Dwayne Wade -- for years to come. I'd rather lose Beans than him.
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see the Warriors go for Jermaine. Sure it'll hurt to lose the prospects - but that's nothing new to the Warriors. Arenas, Hughes, Jamison....I really wouldn't even be that shocked if they trade Richardson. Diogu and Ellis have potential sure, but that hasn't stopped the Warriors from letting other players go before. That said, I'd really like the Warriors to succeed - and if they have to ditch some could-be-greats young guys to get maybe a top 5 PF, then I think they have to do it.
And if he weren't hurt enough, maybe he wouldn't be available right now. Getting Jermaine O'Neal is a definite opportunity right now. Whether the Warriors bite is up to Chris Mullin and Rod Higgins(isn't he the GM?) I believe.
