I remember when RJ first came into the league how he had a fantastic rookie season as part of that great bench. I thought to myself he would be an all-star someday if he could work on his shooting, ball handling and decision making. </p> RJ has been in the league 7 years now and some of the things that he needed to work on his rookie season still aren't that great now. His shooting has improved but its not as if he is a consistent outside threat. His ball handling is decent but its not where it needs to be IMO. </p> I love RJ and he has improved a great deal enough to warrant all-star consideration IMO but he is not where I thought he would be. A lot of that has to do with his injuries (ankle, wrist). Now this isn't to knock RJ but this is just an evalution per say.</p> </p> </p><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="playerStatTable careerAvg" bordercolor="#cccccc"><tbody><tr class="career"><td class="col_1"></td> <td class="col_2"></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td></tr></tbody></table> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'> I remember when RJ first came into the league how he had a fantastic rookie season as part of that great bench. I thought to myself he would be an all-star someday if he could work on his shooting, ball handling and decision making. </p> RJ has been in the league 7 years now and some of the things that he needed to work on his rookie season still aren't that great now. His shooting has improved but its not as if he is a consistent outside threat. His ball handling is decent but its not where it needs to be IMO. </p> I love RJ and he has improved a great deal enough to warrant all-star consideration IMO but he is not where I thought he would be. A lot of that has to do with his injuries (ankle, wrist). Now this isn't to knock RJ but this is just an evalution per say.</p> </p> </p><table border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="playerStatTable careerAvg" bordercolor="#cccccc"><tbody><tr class="career"><td class="col_1"></td><td class="col_2"></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td></tr></tbody></table> </p> </div></p> RJ should send 1/2 his paycheck to Jason Kidd. He is a shooting gaurd that cant shoot. Fortunately for him he plays with one of the 2 PGs in the league who is good enough to create opportunities for him to score anyway. He would be playing for mid level exception if it were for kidd. He should be very thankful. He is a solid #5 guy for a team. Some scoring punch. Several weaknesses in game, but can contribute to winning as long as he is an afterthought on the team.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div>Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p> Espn has your back. </p> NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p> </p> Bottom line:</p> Vince plays the 3</p> Kidd plays the 1</p> Mikki Moore played the 4</p> Jason Colins played the 5</p> </p> So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div>Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p> Espn has your back. </p> NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p> </p> Bottom line:</p> Vince plays the 3</p> Kidd plays the 1</p> Mikki Moore played the 4</p> Jason Colins played the 5</p> </p> So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p> </div></p> </p> Uh, no. VC played the 2, RJ the 3. RJ is a Small Forward, Vince a SG. </p> Believe me, you've already lost this argument, don't even try to justify anything you said, this is the Nets forum, and I would think us Nets' fans know far more about our team than you do and will ever. </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div> Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p> Espn has your back. </p> NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p> </p> Bottom line:</p> Vince plays the 3</p> Kidd plays the 1</p> Mikki Moore played the 4</p> Jason Colins played the 5</p> </p> So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p> </div></p> </p> Bottom line is you are wrong. Vince plays the 2, not the 3. RJ plays the 3</p> I don't need to see what he is listed at on the sites as I watch the games. Besides, go back and look at the all-star ballot, Vince was listed as a guard</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div> Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p> Espn has your back. </p> NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p> </p> Bottom line:</p> Vince plays the 3</p> Kidd plays the 1</p> Mikki Moore played the 4</p> Jason Colins played the 5</p> </p> So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p> </div>CBS thought the Killian documents were authentic. Look where that got them. </p> This was the starting lineup after Krstic got hurt.</p> PG-Kidd, SG-Carter, SF-Jefferson, PF-Collins, C-Moore</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing</div>Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p> Espn has your back. </p> NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p> </p> Bottom line:</p> Vince plays the 3</p> Kidd plays the 1</p> Mikki Moore played the 4</p> Jason Colins played the 5</p> </p> So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p> </div></p> </p> Uh, no. VC played the 2, RJ the 3. RJ is a Small Forward, Vince a SG. </p> Believe me, you've already lost this argument, don't even try to justify anything you said, this is the Nets forum, and I would think us Nets' fans know far more about our team than you do and will ever. </p> </div>Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p>
[quote name='BearsFan1'][quote name='Kid Chocolate'][quote name='BearsFan1'] [quote name='cpawfan']He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing[/QUOTE]Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p> Espn has your back. </p> NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p> </p> Bottom line:</p> Vince plays the 3</p> Kidd plays the 1</p> Mikki Moore played the 4</p> Jason Colins played the 5</p> </p> So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Uh, no. VC played the 2, RJ the 3. RJ is a Small Forward, Vince a SG. </p> Believe me, you've already lost this argument, don't even try to justify anything you said, this is the Nets forum, and I would think us Nets' fans know far more about our team than you do and will ever. </p> [/QUOTE]Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> I don't need to justify a comment that any basketball fan should know and does. You're post was utterly ridiculous and wrong. I don't know how you want me to prove it to you, as you already brought up the listed positions which are all pointless the moment RJ steps on the court and consistently plays the 3. Watch a Nets game and you will see that you are wrong and I am right. End of discussion. </p> I don't care if you never respond to me again, all I've seen of you is that you have zany opinions on nearly everything and are possibly the biggest hater I've ever seen.</p> </p> Cheerio.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p></div> What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.
[quote name='Kid Chocolate'][quote name='BearsFan1'][quote name='Kid Chocolate'][quote name='BearsFan1'] [quote name='cpawfan']He is a Small Forward, not a Shooting Guard, but thanks for playing[/QUOTE]Apparently CBS thinks he is a SG as well. Could have sworn vince played the 3 for them. </p> Espn has your back. </p> NBA.com says he is a tweener.</p> </p> Bottom line:</p> Vince plays the 3</p> Kidd plays the 1</p> Mikki Moore played the 4</p> Jason Colins played the 5</p> </p> So where did RJ play . . . the . . .2 or SG position.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Uh, no. VC played the 2, RJ the 3. RJ is a Small Forward, Vince a SG. </p> Believe me, you've already lost this argument, don't even try to justify anything you said, this is the Nets forum, and I would think us Nets' fans know far more about our team than you do and will ever. </p> [/QUOTE]Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> I don't need to justify a comment that any basketball fan should know and does. You're post was utterly ridiculous and wrong. I don't know how you want me to prove it to you, as you already brought up the listed positions which are all pointless the moment RJ steps on the court and consistently plays the 3. Watch a Nets game and you will see that you are wrong and I am right. End of discussion. </p> I don't care if you never respond to me again, all I've seen of you is that you have zany opinions on nearly everything and are possibly the biggest hater I've ever seen.</p> </p> Cheerio.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> ***INSERT COMMENT HERE. ANY COMMENT. CONTINUE OBJECTIONS FOR NETS CIRCLE JERK***</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p> </div>What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.</div>And yet CBS.SPORTSLINE.COM lists RJ as a "SG" and vince carter as a "SF". </p> FYI, if you use a different system of #s than base 10 you can have 2+2 = 5.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p> </div> What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5. </div> And yet CBS.SPORTSLINE.COM lists RJ as a "SG" and vince carter as a "SF". </p> FYI, if you use a different system of #s than base 10 you can have 2+2 = 5.</p> </div> So in your world, cbs sportsline is the definitive,infallible source?</p> And please show your math</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Dont try and justify what i said? So, basically, you dont want to discuss, you just are right no sense in replying to your future posts? Alright. Well if close mindedness is your drink i hope that your cup runneth over. I wont bother justifying my comments to you anymore. Since you dont acutally want to discuss. Enjoy the NETS circle jerk you yearn for.</p> </div>What you are attempting to justify is as justifiable as blustering that 2+2=5.</div>And yet CBS.SPORTSLINE.COM lists RJ as a "SG" and vince carter as a "SF". </p> FYI, if you use a different system of #s than base 10 you can have 2+2 = 5.</p> </div></p> </p> http://www.sportsline.com/nba/teams/depth-chart/NJ</p> </p> Forward Richard Jefferson, who was coming off his two best consecutive games of the season -- 27 points and a season-high 35, both against Washington -- remains on a minutes restriction in back-to-back scenarios, coach Lawrence Frank said, "No more than probably 36, but probably the ideal thing is 34." </p><table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="bg0" valign="top"><td colspan="3"><font>SPORTSLINE PLAYER RANKING</font></td> </tr> <tr class="bg2"> <td align="left">Small Forwards: 38</td> <td align="left">Overall: 174</td></tr></tbody></table> http://www.sportsline.com/nba/players/playerpage/240295</p> </p> Say what CBS.Sportsline.com?</p>
<sup><font size="1">Does it really matter if hes a bad shooting 2 or a bad shooting 3? I can settle this argument very easily....It doesnt matter from an offensive standpoint, but who does he guard?The opposing 2 or 3?</font></sup></p>
by the way, for what its worth, NBA.com lists him as a Guard/Forward and lists Vince Carter as a Forward/Guard
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'> <sup><font size="1">Does it really matter if hes a bad shooting 2 or a bad shooting 3? I can settle this argument very easily....It doesnt matter from an offensive standpoint, but who does he guard? The opposing 2 or 3?</font></sup></p> </div></p> Jefferson usually guards the better offensive player, of the 2 or 3 on the other team.</p> -Petey </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'> <sup><font size="1">Does it really matter if hes a bad shooting 2 or a bad shooting 3? I can settle this argument very easily....It doesnt matter from an offensive standpoint, but who does he guard? The opposing 2 or 3?</font></sup></p> </div></p> Jefferson usually guards the better offensive player, of the 2 or 3 on the other team.</p> -Petey </p> </div></p> My point exactly....the Nets approach is to use an ambigious positional lineup that has him playing some 2 and some 3....half the websites ive gone too have listed him as a guard and half as a forward....if he went to any of the other teams in the league, they would start him in either the 2 or the 3, based on who else they had....in Denver hes a 2(assuming Iverson starts at the 1)....In Orlando hes a 2....in LA, hes a 3....in Cleveland hes a 3....its kind of a dumb technicality to call someone on when we are all striving to build a community of open discussion</p>
If you had to define a position for Jefferson it would be SF. Regardless of the system or what each individual website states, Richard Jefferson is a SF in basketball terms.
