OT Louisville Passed ‘Breonna’s Law’ — 3 Weeks Later, Louisville Police Conducted A Warrantless Raid

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    The only way this slows is a federal mandate. Local government won't stop it. Unions are too strong.
     
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    There is a federal mandate, it's called the 4th Amendment.

    The problem is there is little to no penalty for violating it. These officers got a 1 day suspension. Qualified immunity needs to be eliminated in cases like this.
     
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    Sorry, I mean federal enforcement. We need federal oversight of local law enforcement. Or at least state oversight. Better state oversight.
     
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    Editorial: Last among major cities to adopt body cameras, Portland must ensure policy upholds accountability

    By The Oregonian Editorial Board

    You would never know about the lethal violence inflicted on Tyre Nichols from reading the police report filed after Memphis officers brutalized the 29-year-old man. According to news accounts, the report does not mention officers kicking Nichols in the face, nor does it acknowledge the multiple times they punched him.

    In fact, we only know what happened to Nichols on Jan. 7 because video from cameras in the neighborhood and worn by the officers themselves captured the inhuman abuse that led to his death three days later. The release of the video last month has left the Memphis community – and the country – grieving and fuming. But that footage also provides a small measure of solace, by ensuring that the officers’ word about what happened is not the last word.

    Portlanders, however, should feel more disquieted than ever. Portland remains the only city among the country’s 75 largest that does not equip officers with body-worn cameras, The Oregonian/OregonLive’s Maxine Bernstein reported. Despite a federal justice department requirement last year that Portland Police adopt the technology as part of a larger police-reforms settlement, the city and the police union have not reached an agreement on the policies to guide camera usage. The key sticking point is the police union’s insistence that officers be allowed to watch body camera footage before filing a report or answering investigator questions about using deadly force against someone.

    As demoralizing as this long wait for body cameras has been, the city should not buckle. Body cameras are an accountability tool, and the city should not agree to policies that undermine their effectiveness. If the city is unable to secure this provision in mediation or potentially, arbitration, the U.S. Department of Justice should exercise its right to reject the policy.

    Body cameras are hardly a new idea in Portland. Former Mayor Charlie Hales proposed adopting the technology for Portland Police in 2014 after a federal judge suggested it and the city has since authorized funding for a pilot project. But the city’s attorneys and the Portland Police Association, which represents rank-and-file officers, remain in mediation over the policy, despite the DOJ’s expectation that the program be in place by last November.

    Importantly, the DOJ has already made clear to the city and the union that it believes officers who use deadly force should not view body camera footage before filing their initial report or giving an internal interview. The DOJ argues that officers can view the footage after filing that initial report and submit a supplementary filing if necessary.

    Granted, most other police bureaus allow the viewing of footage prior to giving a statement. And as Bernstein reported, Portland union president Aaron Schmautz pointed to a law enforcement nonprofit report recommending that practice. The report notes that “the goal is to find the truth, which is facilitated by letting officers have all possible evidence of the event.”

    But there are many reasons why this recommendation does not hold for Portland. For one thing, best practices do and should evolve over time. Some cities have opted to not allow officers the ability to view footage before submitting reports to ensure they are getting the officer’s uninfluenced perspective. Portland is operating under a federal settlement over its police officers’ use-of-force – their violations are the reason the city must adopt this change, justifying a higher standard. And if officers have engaged in misconduct, it makes no sense to give them all the evidence so that they can massage their story to fit what the camera did or didn’t capture.

    Keep in mind that filing police reports without the help of body camera footage is already the norm. This would not be a different protocol.

    But perhaps the biggest flaw in the argument for allowing viewing of footage is that the “truth” does not come from a single source. You don’t get a comprehensive picture of what happened by just getting an officer’s narrative, much less one that’s been crafted to match other evidence. Truth comes from piecing together the many elements that collectively lead to an outcome, including the state of mind of the officer – the observations, perceptions and decisions that unfolded in real-time. Those observations may not be completely “accurate” in the sense of how they square with the slow-motion replay of a zoomed-in frame; but they are accurate in that they reflect the human factor that drives any such interaction.

    Examining body camera footage in cases where police use deadly force isn’t just about uncovering misconduct, but can also point to weaknesses in training or communication that lead to mistakes. But we need a full picture and untainted perspectives of how incidents unfold in order to know where those flaws are.

    Body cameras won’t prevent police brutality. They won’t guarantee accountability. And the ability to view footage before filing a report is only one practice among many that can undermine the effectiveness of cameras. But Portland’s inability so far to secure this modest tool shows how far our community and our police have to go to rebuild trust and move forward as partners. While we hope the union will change its stance, we need our city leaders and the justice department to speak for all Portlanders and ensure that on accountability measures, the public has the last word.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/...ust-ensure-policy-upholds-accountability.html
     
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    The union.

    It sucks because on the one hand, we need unions because of all these ridiculously powerful and corrupt corporations...... but then on the other side you have unions like the police union who are standing in the way of much needed oversight.
     
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    I agree with the ACLU on police body camera policies.

    • require officers with body cams to record all law enforcement interactions and prevent officers from having discretion to turn the cameras off

    • notify subjects that they have the option to remain anonymous and stop recording/storing footage if they choose this option

    • allow civilians to review footage of themselves or their relatives and request this be released to the public and stored for at least two years

    • require body and dash cam footage to be stored externally and ensure district attorneys and civilian oversight structures have direct access to the footage

    • require police departments, whenever they want to deny a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for body or dash cam footage, to prove in court that the footage constitutes a legitimate FOIA exemption (Ex: Illinois House Bill 4355)

    • include a disciplinary matrix clearly defining consequences for officers who fail to adhere to the agency's body camera policy.

    • consider whether cameras or mandated footage are tampered with or unavailable as a negative evidentiary factor in administrative and criminal proceedings

    • prevent officers from reviewing footage of an incident before completing initial reports, statements or interviews about an incident

    • prohibit footage from being used in tandem with facial recognition software, as fillers in photo arrays, or to create a database or pool of mugshots. (Ex: Baltimore PD Body Cam Policy)

    • update privacy laws to protect civilians from having video or audio recordings released publicly that do not contain potential evidence in a use-of-force incident, misconduct incident, discharge of a weapon or death.
    https://www.aele.org/ACLUBWCAct.pdf
     
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    I attended the Police Chief's Breakfast in Salem the other day (not voluntarily, it was part of a leadership program I'm involved in) and I will say one thing. I don't see our criminal justice system reforming anytime soon. Sucks to say, but our politicians back the blue more than just about anybody, and they have the power.
     
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    The issues are deeply seated in the culture of law enforcement in the United States. The fact that they continue to act as if nothing has changed, despite the fact that there are cameras everywhere, SHOWS that they won't change without some serious alterations to punishment for them. It's reminiscent of how corporations don't give a shit about laws because they know that nothing will happen to them.
     
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    The cameras are for them to use against us, not themselves...
     
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    What happened in Memphis disproves that to a certain extent. I'm talking about the fact that there are cameras everywhere. Virtually every person has a camera on them at all times. It's like they don't realize it or they don't care.
     
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    Watch my most recent video in the Civil Rights Lawyer thread.
     
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    Yeah, that cop needs to be held accountable for that shit.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Hope he sues the shit out of that fat ass pos. But knowing how cops are protected more often than not, he'll get off scott free.
     
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