http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?cont...amp;nbasite=nbaWhat a game by Marcus...I don't get why D'Antoni doesn't ever play him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 10 2007, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?cont...amp;nbasite=nbaWhat a game by Marcus...I don't get why D'Antoni doesn't ever play him.</div>Watch him in a pro game and you'd realize. Unfortunately I heard he didn't show much point guard skill or even defense in the game at all, but if he does keep scoring we could trade him and make Robert Sarver feel a little more comfortable so we can keep KT. That would make me happy because we'll have no chance to win at all if we trade KT for some scrub.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jul 10 2007, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Watch him in a pro game and you'd realize. Unfortunately I heard he didn't show much point guard skill or even defense in the game at all, but if he does keep scoring we could trade him and make Robert Sarver feel a little more comfortable so we can keep KT. That would make me happy because we'll have no chance to win at all if we trade KT for some scrub.</div> I've watched him a lot more than you have in the pros.He brings defense. What else do you want? You do realize if D'Antoni continues to bench him he's never gonna get better and Nash's career is gonna be shorter, right?And who said he didn't show much point guard skill or defense?By the way you won't get Marcus Banks for more than a scrub, nor will you get more than a scrub for Kurt Thomas.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jul 10 2007, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Watch him in a pro game and you'd realize. Unfortunately I heard he didn't show much point guard skill or even defense in the game at all, but if he does keep scoring we could trade him and make Robert Sarver feel a little more comfortable so we can keep KT. That would make me happy because we'll have no chance to win at all if we trade KT for some scrub.</div>He just got 42 points and now you're complaining that he wasn't showing much point guard skills?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 10 2007, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By the way you won't get Marcus Banks for more than a scrub, nor will you get more than a scrub for Kurt Thomas.</div> That's not true, because Thomas has a big expiring contract. But I agree with playa, and we have definitely seen more of Marcus than Suns fans. He isn't a good decision maker, he's not a good playmaker, he's not a good shooter, BUT he plays outstanding defense and can run with Phoenix. While Banks may not be perfect, I still think D'Antoni was stupid for not resting Nash at all and keeping Marcus on the bench. Give him consistent minutes, he can do a solid job. The only place he got real consistent time was Minnesota, and he actually did a very solid job over there. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2007, 01:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He just got 42 points and now you're complaining that he wasn't showing much point guard skills? </div> In his defense, scoring 42 points in a summer league game has absolutely nothing to do with being a true point guard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (playaofthegame @ Jul 10 2007, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> I've watched him a lot more than you have in the pros.He brings defense. What else do you want? You do realize if D'Antoni continues to bench him he's never gonna get better and Nash's career is gonna be shorter, right?And who said he didn't show much point guard skill or defense?By the way you won't get Marcus Banks for more than a scrub, nor will you get more than a scrub for Kurt Thomas.</div>I meant watch him on the Suns. It was so ugly when he came on the floor. The many Suns fans who watched this game online said that.I know we won't get more than that for him, but it would make Sarver feel more comfortable and not trade KT away so he doesn't have to pay as much luxury tax. We need him.Nash doesn't play a great amount of minutes. Hopefully with another smart, good ballhandler like Grant Hill on the team, D'Antoni will reduce Nash's minutes by a bit. Or just as effectively, don't make him do everything.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jul 10 2007, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He just got 42 points and now you're complaining that he wasn't showing much point guard skills? </div>To add on to CB, it has NOTHING to do with point guard skills. What I mean is ballhandling, and passing.BTW, I'm in agreement with all of you who think that D'Antoni pulled the plug early, but Banks was just gawd awful when he played so I don't have very high hopes. I think he'll get a chance to prove himself, but I also hope Tucker does too. He can bring some defense too and hopefully won't be the black hole on offense Banks was.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jul 10 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I meant watch him on the Suns. It was so ugly when he came on the floor. The many Suns fans who watched this game online said that. I know we won't get more than that for him, but it would make Sarver feel more comfortable and not trade KT away so he doesn't have to pay as much luxury tax. We need him. Nash doesn't play a great amount of minutes. Hopefully with another smart, good ballhandler like Grant Hill on the team, D'Antoni will reduce Nash's minutes by a bit. Or just as effectively, don't make him do everything.</div> Your "I meant watch him on the Suns" argument doesn't make any sense, considering us Celtics fans have dealt with a younger and even less mature Marcus Banks. We've seen him at his NBA-low. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>To add on to CB, it has NOTHING to do with point guard skills. What I mean is ballhandling, and passing.</div> And most importantly, decision making.
Well if you know that then you should not be saying he should be getting playing time, because his defense wasn't even impressive at all. Players who only have 1 above average skill don't get PT here, but if he can make the right choice of shooting or driving to the basket in certain situations and not do everything wrong he will get some time for his defense like James Jones did.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASUFan22 @ Jul 10 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well if you know that then you should not be saying he should be getting playing time, because his defense wasn't even impressive at all. Players who only have 1 above average skill don't get PT here, but if he can make the right choice of shooting or driving to the basket in certain situations and not do everything wrong he will get some time for his defense like James Jones did.</div> Right, and the reason you guys always fold in the playoffs is because everybody wears down and you can't defend. Put a harassing defender, who is young and brings a ton of energy, in the game for a few minutes a night. That gives Nash some rest, and god forbid you put a player on the court that doesn't have to score 20 points to be effective.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 10 2007, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's not true, because Thomas has a big expiring contract.But I agree with playa, and we have definitely seen more of Marcus than Suns fans. He isn't a good decision maker, he's not a good playmaker, he's not a good shooter, BUT he plays outstanding defense and can run with Phoenix. While Banks may not be perfect, I still think D'Antoni was stupid for not resting Nash at all and keeping Marcus on the bench. Give him consistent minutes, he can do a solid job. The only place he got real consistent time was Minnesota, and he actually did a very solid job over there.In his defense, scoring 42 points in a summer league game has absolutely nothing to do with being a true point guard.</div>Yeah, I got that. But how the hell are you going to expect him to pass the ball out well when he's going for 42 freaking points. My god.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jul 10 2007, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Right, and the reason you guys always fold in the playoffs is because everybody wears down and you can't defend. Put a harassing defender, who is young and brings a ton of energy, in the game for a few minutes a night. That gives Nash some rest, and god forbid you put a player on the court that doesn't have to score 20 points to be effective.</div>That's not true. James Jones and Kurt Thomas played and they weren't big scorers. Jones only had 2 good shooting months, but he played defense. Throwing in a guy who's an above average defender, but still caused us to lose leads because we couldn't score didn't deserve any PT last year. I was excited because of his speed, but when he drove to the basket he didn't take contact, he avoided it and made his lay-ups harder than they should have been and he kept missing the easy ones. There's nothing wrong with wanting to play players who can do more than one thing right. And like I said he wasn't that impressive on defense either. He looked like a scrub overall. BTW, we really haven't had anybody wear out so far. It would help in case some more suspensions come, but I'd rather give a guy like Tucker a shot. He's a rookie, but Banks plays as smart as a rookie anyway. He has defense and some height and he won't make our #1 offense into a bottom 5 offense when he comes on the floor. Not saying he should be there as a point guard, but I think he'd be a better 9th man. Both will probably get a chance though and I'd be happy if I turn out to be wrong about Banks, but so far he's been just about as productive as Paul Shirley.Oh and I said watch him because playa was wondering why D'Antoni benched him. If you saw how terrible he played this year you would know.
Oh and thanks for the link. I'll check it out even though we lost...lol, the game is like a blooper reel, it's so pathetic.
I understand where ASUFan is coming from. he may have defense and scoring skills, but the Suns don't have any playmakers outside of Nash. When he goes to the bench, the offense needs some to direct it. They don't need another perimeter scorer (which he hasn't shown a ton of promise in).
This guy seriously should have been a Laker to start the 2005 season. We HAD him. He was in the Gary Payton to Boston deal but then Payton F*cked it up and we ended up getting Jermaine Jones who eventually joined the Suns anyway. (after we traded him to Bobcats)
