Measure 97

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Interesting idea but I voted No. Not because I don't think large corporations aren't paying enough but because it's a pyramid tax.

    Here is the state's most liberal publication's take on it:

    Corporate tax increase


    No


    We're convinced of a few things. First, state government could use more money. Education, social services and managing Oregon's rapid growth will require substantial new revenue.


    Second, there is indeed a basket of corporate deplorables who unfairly avoid paying their fair share of taxes.


    And yet Measure 97 is about as ham-fisted a solution as proponents could have devised. That may be because it was designed by pollsters and campaign strategists rather than economists. Crafting policy this way is hardly good governance, though we certainly understand the emotional appeal of demonizing Walmart, Comcast and Wells Fargo, all likely payers of the tax.


    If Measure 97 passes, it would be the single largest tax hike in modern Oregon history. It would take the state's current annual budget of $9.5 billion and increase it by nearly a third, raising $3 billion a year.


    It would do so by adding a new tax on C corporations—2.5 percent of their Oregon sales over $25 million.


    The state estimates that fewer than 1,000 of the 400,000 businesses in Oregon would pay the tax, and many of those companies are headquartered in other states. (Disclosure: WW's revenues are far too small to be affected by 97.)


    On its face, Measure 97 is elegantly designed: Somebody else pays it, and many of those somebodies are large, unloved corporations.


    But like a fake Rolex, the moving parts underneath the surface are less elegant.


    That's the reason why Gov. Kate Brown waffled for two months on whether to support the measure (she eventually did). It's the reason why moderate Democrats like state Sen. Mark Haas (D-Beaverton), who chairs the Senate Finance and Revenue Committee, and Rep. Jeff Reardon (D-East Portland) don't support the measure. And it's the reason why WW—which supported Measures 66 and 67, the 2010 income tax increases, and earlier this year supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential primary—cannot get behind Measure 97.


    There are a host of reasons why the new tax would be bad for Oregon.


    Independent analysts say companies will pass a big chunk of the tax on to consumers, so it is, in effect, a sales tax.


    And unlike the conventional sales tax that nearly every other state levies, Measure 97 grants no exemptions for food, medicine or other essential goods. That's a double hit for low-income Oregonians. While market forces would keep some companies from jacking up their prices, others—like utilities—would be able to make customers, no matter how needy, swallow all the costs. And they will.


    There's also an issue of fairness. Because the initiative affects only C corps, other companies that are structured differently but have more than $25 million in Oregon sales would not pay one dollar more. Finally, Measure 97 penalizes service businesses, such as the state's thriving software industry. (Because of arcane rules about how companies' revenues are accounted for, service companies are taxed more heavily than manufacturing companies.)


    Then consider this: Even some supporters privately concede that the state has no plan for how to spend—or save—such an extraordinary increase in state revenues. That gives the special interests that sponsored the measure—public employee unions—and the special interests that opposed it and would be seeking exemptions—the business lobby—a tremendous advantage over lawmakers.


    Putting pollsters and political strategists in charge of Oregon's tax policy is a bad idea. It is our hope that the Legislature, which will probably continue under Democratic control, can craft something better. Tax policy shouldn't fit onto a bumper sticker. Oregon can do better than this slice of populist fantasy.

    http://www.wweek.com/news/2016/10/12/wws-november-2016-endorsements-state-measures/
     
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  2. blue32

    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    I voted no as well as my wife.

    1. Pyramid tax
    2. Would hurt job growth from shuttering of companies who either can't afford the tax, or move out of Oregon
    3. Costs would be passed onto citizens (sales tax) sort of like minimum wage increases
    4. The proceeds of this go to the general fund and that can be spent anyway they want. IIRC the originators of this bill are Oregon State employees, I am pretty sure I know why they want it.
     
  3. MarAzul

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    I voted no. I simple can't understand the logic of taxing a company on other than income.
    A company has to pass the tax on, what else can you expect?
    The first thing that comes to mind is all the things that are shipped into Oregon by companies that would have to pay this tax and how much more that would raise the cost of living.
    While I am pretty healthy for an old dude, I am also only here because of three pills a day. Each would be somewhat more costly due to the tax.
    Fuck that.
     
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    Of course the other major problem with this measure. Nothing says it will be spent as explained nor will it be more money for the purpose.
    More than likely it would be money that replaces currently allocated money from other sources, which in turn is then spent on what ever democrat
    whim reaches the top.
     
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    How did you vote on the other state measures?
     
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    Well I mailed it. In general I don't remember them all, but I probably would remember a specific.
     
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    Measure 100
    Endangered animal protections



    Measure 99
    Lottery funding for Outdoor School



    Measure 98
    Career and tech education in high school



    Measure 96
    Lottery funding for veterans



    Measure 95
    Public university investments




    Measure 94
    No mandatory retirement age for judges




    Measure 93
    Deport all people who use the moniker Barfo








     
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    93 is a definite vote yes!
     
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    Measure 97 is a really useless idea. She SlyPokerDog won't move out.
     
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    We voteed no on all tax. Sorry hipsters:)
     
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    We? Exactly how many of your personalities are registered to vote?
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    He meant he and his wife.
     
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    blue32 Who wants a mustache ride?

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    Haha:)
     
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    I also voted no on 97. They couldn't get us to pass a sales tax, so they are trying to get us with a hidden one...hah
     
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    Yes, except this tax is on stuff you never put a sales tax on, in addition to the regular list.
     
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    Nikolokolus There's always next year

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    Yeah, this was a very poorly written tax measure.
     
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    I agree...no. I want a sales tax but only if it lowers my property tax substantially and I don't see that happening nor do I trust they'll use the money for what it's meant to be used for
     
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    I voted yes on 97.

    So the same people that convinced us back in the 80's that if we gave them tax breaks they would trickle down to the rest of us (utter bullshit) has convinced us that if we raised their taxes that the tax would trickle down to the rest of us....

    Jesus help us....
     
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    Sigh!
     

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